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Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:56 pm

Out of all the villains from DB - GT and the movies, which villain do you think fucked up the most and can be considered an idiot for doing so.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:00 pm

Garlic Jr. His ultimate move is his only real weakness, which I don't think he even needs to use.
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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by Doctor. » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:07 pm

Boo is literally retarded.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:11 pm

Doctor. wrote:Boo is literally retarded.
Chapter: 475 (DBZ 281), P8.4
Context: after Boo fires a Kamehameha
Goku: “It figures. I’m surprised. You always have a dumb look on your face, but you’re a genius. To think that you can instantly see through your opponents’ techniques and make them your own.”
Not even sure I'd classify Kid Boo as a dumbass either.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:30 pm

Perfect Cell. I know he has the genes of some of the smuggest and arrogant fighters in the universe in him but c'mon man. Actively trying to make Gohan and more angry, and by that process, more powerful, so he can probably kick your ass. What an idiot.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:33 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Boo is literally retarded.
Chapter: 475 (DBZ 281), P8.4
Context: after Boo fires a Kamehameha
Goku: “It figures. I’m surprised. You always have a dumb look on your face, but you’re a genius. To think that you can instantly see through your opponents’ techniques and make them your own.”
Not even sure I'd classify Kid Boo as a dumbass either.
He's an idiot savant.

Oh and Ninja Murasaki is the biggest idiot. Goku didn't even take him remotely seriously... even Emperor Pilaf was more of a threat than him.
Lord Beerus wrote:Perfect Cell. I know he has the genes of some of the smuggest and arrogant fighters in the universe in him but c'mon man. Actively trying to make Gohan and more angry, and by that process, more powerful, so he can probably kick your ass. What an idiot.
Not when Cell has his full powers.
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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:41 pm

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Doctor. wrote:Boo is literally retarded.
Chapter: 475 (DBZ 281), P8.4
Context: after Boo fires a Kamehameha
Goku: “It figures. I’m surprised. You always have a dumb look on your face, but you’re a genius. To think that you can instantly see through your opponents’ techniques and make them your own.”
Not even sure I'd classify Kid Boo as a dumbass either.
He's an idiot savant.
You can label Goku the exact same thing honestly.
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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by Kaboom » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:45 pm

It's definitely Pure Boo, the borderline-mindless slaughter machine. His talent for combat comes from instinct, not intelligence.

Broli is a close second, at least in his sequels.
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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:52 pm

Garlic Jr. is hands down the biggest dumbass in the series... by FAR. I don't need to explain why.

Now, if non-canon villains don't count, then Frieza is. First of all, Goku gave him enough energy to escape Namek. He could have sucked up his pride, trained or planned something else, and gotten his revenge later, but he opted to lash out at Goku, and basically got killed in the process. Then, he's resuscitated. But again, instead of training a little, he goes directly to Earth, resulting in his true death. Next, he's given a fucking THIRD chance at life, and instead of focusing on his organization and taking as much time as he can to prepare himself for revenge, he neglects his business and rushes the process. Finally, it is revealed he has astonishing powers after training, but because of his impatience and lack of fight knowledge, he is ultimately killed. Never mind the fact that he got "clocked" by Beerus in the past, which should have been enough incentive for him to train.
Lord Beerus wrote:Perfect Cell. I know he has the genes of some of the smuggest and arrogant fighters in the universe in him but c'mon man. Actively trying to make Gohan and more angry, and by that process, more powerful, so he can probably kick your ass. What an idiot.
He was acting on his saiyan genes. Vegeta did the same thing with Semi-Perfect Cell. And Goku did the same thing before Frieza went 100%. They're blood knights. Besides, Cell was confident in his abilities. He's by no means an idiot; fighting is his purpose in life. Otherwise, he wouldn't have even gone back in time and become perfect in the first place. >.>
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:54 pm

Kaboom wrote:It's definitely Pure Boo, the borderline-mindless slaughter machine. His talent for combat comes from instinct, not intelligence.

Broli is a close second, at least in his sequels.
Yeah I guess mindless wise I can agree with this...still if you have higher level thinking and screw up royally, I kinda find that worse.
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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:59 pm

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Kaboom wrote:It's definitely Pure Boo, the borderline-mindless slaughter machine. His talent for combat comes from instinct, not intelligence.

Broli is a close second, at least in his sequels.
Yeah I guess mindless wise I can agree with this...still if you have higher level thinking and screw up royally, I kinda find that worse.
I agree with this.

Might as well call Hirudegarn the biggest idiot. =P
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Post by Xeogran » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:00 pm

Omega Shenron got hit by BBK 100x and almost died. Then he was doing nothing but waiting to be hit again.

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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:04 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:He was acting on his saiyan genes. Vegeta did the same thing with Semi-Perfect Cell. And Goku did the same thing before Freeza went 100%. They're blood knights. Besides, Cell was confident in his abilities. He's by no means an idiot; fighting is his purpose in life. Otherwise, he wouldn't have even gone back in time and become perfect in the first place. >.>
Becoming the ultimate life form and achieving perfection was Cell's purpose in life, not fighting. He should have nuked the Earth as soon as he became Perfect Cell, as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by shonenhikada » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:04 pm

Biggest Idiot award goes to:
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fadeddreams5 wrote:Now, if non-canon villains don't count, then Freeza is. First of all, Goku gave him enough energy to escape Namek. He could have sucked up his pride, trained or planned something else, and gotten his revenge later, but he opted to lash out at Goku, and basically got killed in the process. Then, he's resuscitated. But again, instead of training a little, he goes directly to Earth, resulting in his true death. Next, he's given a fucking THIRD chance at life, and instead of focusing on his organization and taking as much time as he can to prepare himself for revenge, he neglects his business and rushes the process. Finally, it is revealed he has astonishing powers after training, but because of his impatience and lack of fight knowledge, he is ultimately killed. Never mind the fact that he got "clocked" by Beerus in the past, which should have been enough incentive for him to train. F ruined this character, imo.
Man, you just reminded me of how I wish Freeza stayed alive for the entire series. After being defeated on Namek, he should have stayed in one of his planets being rebuilt into Mecha Freeza while his father comes to Earth for revenge. This wouldn't ruin Trunks' entrance and wouldn't ruin Freeza's character either. Then throughout the Cell and Boo arcs, we could have seen shots of Freeza training, of the rejuvenation chambers being upgraded, of his body getting regenerated and of him achieving his Golden Form and then finally we could have come to F with a properly built and developed storyline in advance instead of just "let's revive him!". Oh well, that was never gonna happen anyway unless F was a movie made whilst DB was still serializing.

Sorry for going off-topic, to make my post a lil' bit on-topic, I'll just say that while Freeza did make some stupid decisions here and there, I think that Kid Boo, being, y'know, close to brainless, and Cell are bigger idiots. Cell told Piccolo about himself and his plans without thinking he could regenerate or that help could arrive. He foolishly underestimated Tenshinhan and Vegeta, he didn't train for the Cell Games and, probably his most stupid decision, let Gohan power-up. Yes, I know it's something Goku and Vegeta would have done, but they're idiots too for allowing Freeza and Cell respectively to power-up in front of them instead of finishing the job.

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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by supercat » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:06 pm

DBZ - Frieza: While he does possess some strategic capabilities, like wiping out an entire planet crawling with fighters who can one day pose a threat to him, he's made some major mistakes that could have been avoided. He's probably had the biggest power advantage over the Z-Fighters out of any of the main villains, not to mention the most number of chances to get the job done.

On Namek, he spent too much time toying around with Goku, when the amount of power he had over the Saiyan was enough for him to crush him in a matter of seconds. He could have gone straight to full power and wiped him out of existence, the minute he began realizing his seemingly untouchable power was being rivaled to a degree far greater than he had envisioned. Even after being nearly destroyed by the Spirit Bomb, he takes his time trying to emotionally hurt Goku by taking out Krillin; without taking into consideration that the Saiyan may have other hidden attacks / techniques that may be brought out unexpectedly.

Despite knowing that Saiayns can grow their power, and knowing that he himself is a prodigy, he doesn't bother investing a minute of his time towards training after his father goes through the trouble of fixing him up. As a result, he blows his second chance, and is once again humiliated and destroyed.

Third time's the charm right? Despite not making the same mistake of not training, he once again lives up to his track record of rushing into things and underestimating his opponents. Not only did he prematurely attempt his revenge by not mastering his golden form, he again plays games by trying to coax Vegeta (who's shown a history of treachery) into finishing off Goku. Given how quickly Frieza gains power, it seems likely that just a bit more of a his time allocated towards training would likely would have secured his victory through the usage of his fully mastered golden form.

GT - Omega Shenron: Another villain with a huge power advantage who probably felt it was alright to toy around with his opponents.

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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:14 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:He was acting on his saiyan genes. Vegeta did the same thing with Semi-Perfect Cell. And Goku did the same thing before Freeza went 100%. They're blood knights. Besides, Cell was confident in his abilities. He's by no means an idiot; fighting is his purpose in life. Otherwise, he wouldn't have even gone back in time and become perfect in the first place. >.>
Becoming the ultimate life form and achieving perfection was Cell's purpose in life, not fighting. He should have nuked the Earth as soon as he became Perfect Cell, as far as I'm concerned.
The minute he becomes perfect, fighting (i.e. showing off his powers) becomes his purpose in life. Basically, life is a big dick measuring contest to Cell, where he has to show it off everywhere he goes.
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Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:15 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: Becoming the ultimate life form and achieving perfection was Cell's purpose in life, not fighting. He should have nuked the Earth as soon as he became Perfect Cell, as far as I'm concerned.
Cell's purpose in life was to become perfect and to prove to the universe that he was just that, by fighting some of the strongest fighters in the universe in hand-to-hand combat.
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Lord Beerus wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:He was acting on his saiyan genes. Vegeta did the same thing with Semi-Perfect Cell. And Goku did the same thing before Freeza went 100%. They're blood knights. Besides, Cell was confident in his abilities. He's by no means an idiot; fighting is his purpose in life. Otherwise, he wouldn't have even gone back in time and become perfect in the first place. >.>
Becoming the ultimate life form and achieving perfection was Cell's purpose in life, not fighting. He should have nuked the Earth as soon as he became Perfect Cell, as far as I'm concerned.
It'd be pretty pointless in the end, wouldn't it? Why achieve such great strength when you have nothing to test it on?
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: Which villain is the biggest idiot?

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SSJ God Gogeta wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote: Becoming the ultimate life form and achieving perfection was Cell's purpose in life, not fighting. He should have nuked the Earth as soon as he became Perfect Cell, as far as I'm concerned.
Cell's purpose in life was to become perfect and to prove to the universe that he was just that, by fighting some of the strongest fighters in the universe in hand-to-hand combat.
shonenhikada wrote:Biggest Idiot award goes to:
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Gets his ass handed to him by vegeta in base without trying. Continues to believe he can take everyone there.

Babidi changes environment to 10x earth gravity. Now thinks he can win. Gets his ass handed but continues to run foward thinking he's stronger.

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