If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

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If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:07 pm

...why didn't he just instantaneously move to where Buu's egg was and relocated it somewhere else?

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:14 pm

We've established this before:

Kaioshin is a dumbass

Oh and Instantaneous movement is Kibito's technique not Kaioshin's.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Kaboom » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:18 pm

The technique is called "Kai-Kai." It's not the same as the shunkan-ido/instant-movement/teleportation ability Goku uses.

Anyway... I guess he didn't know where Boo's egg was. Which would be part of the reason for tailing Spopovich and Yamu.
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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:25 pm

Kaboom wrote:The technique is called "Kai-Kai." It's not the same as the shunkan-ido/instant-movement/teleportation ability Goku uses.

Anyway... I guess he didn't know where Boo's egg was. Which would be part of the reason for tailing Spopovich and Yamu.
I would think since he's the highest ranking being in his universe, knows the planet the egg is in, and found Babidi's ship thanks to the crew, he or Kibito (whoever knows the technique) could just go in there, grab it, and leave with it in a split second. O_o
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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:34 pm

Kaioshin actually had a chance when he killed Bibidi to move the shell somewhere... but like the dumb bitch-ass purple fuck he is, he decided to leave it be cuz he was afraid of sudden shock awakening Majin Boo (which makes no sense).... on the most dangerous planet in the entire universe. One he admitted had sentiment life that was evolving... and it has earthquakes.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:18 pm

Well the egg was in Babidi's ship, perhaps Babidi used some kind of magic to shield the interior of his ship from teleportation.
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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:50 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Well the egg was in Babidi's ship, perhaps Babidi used some kind of magic to shield the interior of his ship from teleportation.
Nah, I think the Kaioshin is just stupid. :|
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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Daisetsu » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:18 am

When he left it on Earth, there was no reason to move it because he believed the only person capable of waking Buu was dead. When he learned that Babidi was a thing, the egg had been moved and he didn't know where it was (hence having to follow Yamu and Spopomovitch-amacallit). By the time they learned where Buu's egg was, Kibito got killed very shortly after, thus no Kai-Kai to move it. By the time Kibito was revived, there was no egg to move because Buu had been woken.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by supercat » Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:36 am

Kaioshin likely assumed that there was no one other than Bibidi who can revive Buu. From my understanding, it was only when he found out about Babidi's capability to revive the vile menace, that he realized that there was an imminent threat on its way.

It also seems probable that he was hesitant to touch the egg, as he probably feared any attempt in trying to get rid of it may accidentally awaken the evil creature.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Mac » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:26 pm

He's not the brightest, he could've had it thrown into the nearest star to make sure it was never found, but alas.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by SpiritBombTriumphant » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:02 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Well the egg was in Babidi's ship, perhaps Babidi used some kind of magic to shield the interior of his ship from teleportation.
In Kai 2.0 it's stated by either Kaioshin or Kibito that virtually all of Babidi's ship was underground with only that entrance (that Pui Pui, Babidi, and Dabura come out of) being visible as the reason they couldn't locate it--it was hidden. My guess for not teleporting to them directly is that they hid their Ki and masked themselves in some way so that he couldn't just locate them directly. I'm not saying Kaioshin isn't a dumbass--he is as we see whenever a new villain appears in each stage of Babidi's ship. But there seem to be legit reasons for not finding it. In addition, even if he did then he would have to consider the fact that Dabura would be close and could kill him with ease if he was found, as well as Yakon and the rest being superior to him in strength.

But in the end when Majin Buu was close to being resurrected from his egg? He probably just didn't think of it in time. He was in fear for his life, after all. While we (the viewers) can yell to the TV "Teleport the egg away, you fucking dumbass!" it would be much different to be there in person and remembering we could do that.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:14 pm

Are you sure Kaioshin is weaker than Yakon? I would think he is stronger.
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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by supercat » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:57 pm

While I'm pretty sure Kaioshin would get trashed by Dabura, I don't think he was weaker than Pui Pui or Yakon.

I've always viewed his seemingly fearful persona as just being cautious with entire situation. Meaning, he was probably worried their carelessness could accidentally awaken Buu or contribute towards his revival in the form of lost energy. I don't think his lack of confidence was necessarily because he actually feared low tiered fighters like Pui Pui or Yakon.

Considering how Kaioshin has experienced the horrors of Buu, it seems likely that every move he makes would be done so with the utmost care.

If he knows he can one-shot Frieza, he's not going to fear some mook like Pui Pui or even Yakon. With that said, I do believe he was genuinely afraid of Dabura himself.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:22 pm

supercat wrote:While I'm pretty sure Kaioshin would get trashed by Dabura, I don't think he was weaker than Pui Pui or Yakon.

I've always viewed his seemingly fearful persona as just being cautious with entire situation. Meaning, he was probably worried their carelessness could accidentally awaken Buu or contribute towards his revival in the form of lost energy. I don't think his lack of confidence was necessarily because he actually feared low tiered fighters like Pui Pui or Yakon.

Considering how Kaioshin has experienced the horrors of Buu, it seems likely that every move he makes would be done so with the utmost care.

If he knows he can one-shot Freeza, he's not going to fear some mook like Pui Pui or even Yakon. With that said, I do believe he was genuinely afraid of Dabura himself.
...Or maybe he's just stupid.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by supercat » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:22 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
supercat wrote:While I'm pretty sure Kaioshin would get trashed by Dabura, I don't think he was weaker than Pui Pui or Yakon.

I've always viewed his seemingly fearful persona as just being cautious with entire situation. Meaning, he was probably worried their carelessness could accidentally awaken Buu or contribute towards his revival in the form of lost energy. I don't think his lack of confidence was necessarily because he actually feared low tiered fighters like Pui Pui or Yakon.

Considering how Kaioshin has experienced the horrors of Buu, it seems likely that every move he makes would be done so with the utmost care.

If he knows he can one-shot Freeza, he's not going to fear some mook like Pui Pui or even Yakon. With that said, I do believe he was genuinely afraid of Dabura himself.
...Or maybe he's just stupid.

That could be it too.

I thought it would have been nice if he at the very least maintained some aspect of his initial confidence. I have no problem with Kaioshin undergoing a complete personality change, but it could have been more climatic if he suddenly began cowering at the presence of Buu, rather than around some useless mook. Having him take down a lackey himself and giving him the chance to showcase his power would also have been pretty cool to watch. Getting crushed by Buu after displaying such a feat could have added more intensity to Buu as well, since the evil monster wouldn't merely be taking down some coward with no prior feats.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:29 pm

I think Kaioshin was 90% as powerful as Dabura in Dabura's relaxed/unpowered state.
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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by supercat » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:38 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:I think Kaioshin was 90% as powerful as Dabura in Dabura's relaxed/unpowered state.
I could see that. Although on the lower end, I could see Kaioshin even at around 75-80% of Dabura.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Alex9196 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:33 am

i know this is not the right thread for this question but what is the difference between gokus instant transmission and the kai's technique? they seem very simular.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Daisetsu » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:14 am

Goku needs to lock onto someone ki in order to teleport (in other words, he's limited in where he can go). Kibitokai can travel anywhere regardless of whether or not someone is there.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Alex9196 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:08 am

i think its strange that kaioshin cant do it. because kibito is a regular kai i think.

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