Should Gogeta even be possible?

[SMKirbyZX]

So, I just realized something about Gogeta. During the Boo arc, Goku says this:


He's saying same size and same strength. Vegeta's 4 inches shorter than Goku.
Goku: 5'9" or 176 cm
Vegeta: 5'5" or 164 cm

So, since this is a significant size difference, does that mean that it's impossible for Gogeta to exist in canon?

[dbgtFO]

So, I just realized something about Gogeta. During the Boo arc, Goku says this:

Spoiler:

He's saying same size and same strength. Vegeta's 4 inches shorter than Goku.
Goku: 5'9" or 176 cm
Vegeta: 5'5" or 164 cm

So, since this is a significant size difference, does that mean that it's impossible for Gogeta to exist in canon?

In a recent interview Toriyama seem to pretty much ignore any of that and stated size didn't matter among other things IIRC.

[SMKirbyZX]

So, I just realized something about Gogeta. During the Boo arc, Goku says this:

Spoiler:

He's saying same size and same strength. Vegeta's 4 inches shorter than Goku.
Goku: 5'9" or 176 cm
Vegeta: 5'5" or 164 cm

So, since this is a significant size difference, does that mean that it's impossible for Gogeta to exist in canon?

In a recent interview Toriyama seem to pretty much ignore any of that and stated size didn't matter among other things IIRC.

Link to the interview?

[Kamiccolo9]

Maybe the Metamorans are, like, 20 feet tall. So by "the same size" they mean "within a foot or two of being the same height."

New head-canon.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Maybe the Metamorans are, like, 20 feet tall. So by "the same size" they mean "within a foot or two of being the same height."

New head-canon.

It's said in the page that they're weak and small.

[Kamiccolo9]

Maybe the Metamorans are, like, 20 feet tall. So by "the same size" they mean "within a foot or two of being the same height."

New head-canon.

It's said in the page that they're weak and small.

Fine. "Small" for the species on their planet then. The rest of them are 30 feet tall.

[Rocketman]

I've never understood why people think this is an issue. He mentions that "same size" rule in the exact same conversation where he says "I can fuse with either Gohan or Vegeta!", so obviously that's not enough of a difference.

[Kamiccolo9]

I've never understood why people think this is an issue. He mentions that "same size" rule in the exact same conversation where he says "I can fuse with either Gohan or Vegeta!", so obviously that's not enough of a difference.

Well, he doesn't specify what "size" he's talking about.

[Rocketman]

Well, he doesn't specify what "size" he's talking about. :P

Is this gonna be about dicks again?

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, he doesn't specify what "size" he's talking about.

Is this gonna be about dicks again?

Only if you take it there.

[rereboy]

He's saying same size and same strength. Vegeta's 4 inches shorter than Goku.
Goku: 5'9" or 176 cm
Vegeta: 5'5" or 164 cm

So, since this is a significant size difference, does that mean that it's impossible for Gogeta to exist in canon?

It's around the same size. It means that Goku wouldn't be able to fuse with, for example, an Oozaru. The size difference is simply too great for the dance and technique to work. For such a size difference, the Potara would be needed to achieve fusion. But the size difference between Goku and Vegeta in their normal state is insignificant.

[Herms]

Maybe the Metamorans are, like, 20 feet tall. So by "the same size" they mean "within a foot or two of being the same height."

New head-canon.

It's said in the page that they're weak and small.

Which isn't accurate, for the record. In Japanese Goku just describes the two Metamorans he met as "weak" and "docile", and says nothing about them being small.

On that note, the translation in the first post isn't Viz, so...not kosher around these parts.

[Darkprince410]

So, I just realized something about Gogeta. During the Boo arc, Goku says this:

He's saying same size and same strength. Vegeta's 4 inches shorter than Goku.
Goku: 5'9" or 176 cm
Vegeta: 5'5" or 164 cm

So, since this is a significant size difference, does that mean that it's impossible for Gogeta to exist in canon?

The original dialogue only says fairly close in battle power and body size, and not that they need to be identical.

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P6.1-7
Context: after Goku laments that Gohan and Vegeta are dead
Goku: “I coulda used Fusion…”
Dende: “Fusion…! Merging together, right? That’s the specialty art of the people of Planet Metamor!”
Goku: “So you know about it, Dende…! That’s right, some people from Metamor who I met in the afterlife taught me that art…It’s a merging technique which can only be performed if two people are fairly close in both power and body size…In other words, by having two people merge into one, they’re able to become a single, new human with amazing power which either of them on their own absolutely wouldn’t be capable of. It really is incredible! Those two from Metamor were completely weak and gentle on their own, but by using Fusion they transformed into a substantial warrior! [ ] …I was just taught the art, but I ain’t never tested it out…There wasn’t anybody on par with me in the afterlife…”

In addition, Trunks stands six centimeters above Goten in terms of height (129 cm vs. 123 cm) according to the Super Exciting Guide, so we know that exact height is not necessary. Likewise, if you take the ratio of Trunks' height with Goten's and apply it to Goku, he should be able to fuse with someone with a height of 166cm and not have any issue. As such, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to assume he'd be capable of fusing with someone just about an inch shorter than that.

[TheOverlyMadHatter]

It's easy to assume that he means "same rough size." Basically a difference small enough to properly perform the dance.

[supercat]

If the concept of fusion was to be explored again, I could definitely see Gogeta emerging.

I feel the negligible size difference between Goku and Vegeta wouldn't make or break the fusion. Try getting Krillin and Piccolo to fuse may be a different story.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't require the two to be the exact same height.

[dbgtFO]

So, I just realized something about Gogeta. During the Boo arc, Goku says this:

Spoiler:

He's saying same size and same strength. Vegeta's 4 inches shorter than Goku.
Goku: 5'9" or 176 cm
Vegeta: 5'5" or 164 cm

So, since this is a significant size difference, does that mean that it's impossible for Gogeta to exist in canon?

In a recent interview Toriyama seem to pretty much ignore any of that and stated size didn't matter among other things IIRC.

Link to the interview?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... uu-arc-04/

Q4: Can anybody perform Fusion if their body size and power are the same?

Toriyama: It’s hard, but they can!
I think it’s possible to merge no matter the conditions, as long as it all goes well. I even think it’s possible for a larger number of people. However, since it’s quite hard for both parties to strike that delicate balance, it’s very difficult for two extremely different people to fuse. In that sense, synchronized swimmers would probably be really good at Fusion. By the way, there are many different types of Fusion, and the kind Goku learned is the one for increasing battle power.

If a man and a woman fused, maybe they’d end up like a drag queen? A super-duper strong drag queen; it might be kind of interesting. I should have drawn that back during the serialization. (laughs) I kind of regret [not doing it].

Seems I remembered it a bit differently..

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

He's saying same size and same strength. Vegeta's 4 inches shorter than Goku.
Goku: 5'9" or 176 cm
Vegeta: 5'5" or 164 cm

So, since this is a significant size difference, does that mean that it's impossible for Gogeta to exist in canon?

Well Vegeta is supposed to be up to goku's chest in height but for some reason during and after the majin fight within the Buu saga they were the same height. That kind of mistifies it. If they were consistent with Vegeta's height it would never have worked by those rules.

[Sanyo96]

It's entirely possible for him to be canon, it's up to Toriyama if he wants Gogeta to officially exist. Goku is only 4 inches taller than Vegeta, which isn't that much of a difference to be honest.

[SMKirbyZX]

Q4: Can anybody perform Fusion if their body size and power are the same?

Toriyama: It’s hard, but they can!
I think it’s possible to merge no matter the conditions, as long as it all goes well. I even think it’s possible for a larger number of people. However, since it’s quite hard for both parties to strike that delicate balance, it’s very difficult for two extremely different people to fuse. In that sense, synchronized swimmers would probably be really good at Fusion. By the way, there are many different types of Fusion, and the kind Goku learned is the one for increasing battle power.

If a man and a woman fused, maybe they’d end up like a drag queen? A super-duper strong drag queen; it might be kind of interesting. I should have drawn that back during the serialization. (laughs) I kind of regret [not doing it].

Seems I remembered it a bit differently..[/quote]
Thanks! The whole thing always bugged me.