Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
User avatar
fadeddreams5
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5267
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:53 pm
Location: New York

Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:40 pm

Could it have become good like Godzilla and King Kong?

I think they were really mean to it. Just started beating it up for no reason. Of course Hirudegarn had to defend itself.

IMO, it just needed a friend to tell it "NO" in a polite manner.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 21430
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:56 pm

Did Hirudegarn try to senselessly destroy and kill everything and everyone his path whenever he was set free? Last time I watched the movie, that was the case. So yeah, Hirudegarn is evil.

User avatar
fadeddreams5
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5267
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:53 pm
Location: New York

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:58 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Did Hirudegarn try to senselessly destroy and kill everything and everyone his his path whenever he was set free? Last time when I watch the movie, that was case. So yeah, Hirudegarn is evil.
Who's to say he wasn't confused over his unfamiliar surroundings? Like a wild animal entering the city. :cry:
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super

User avatar
GTx10
Regular
Posts: 693
Joined: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:06 pm
Location: Beerus's Palace

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by GTx10 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:25 pm

Isn't it said that, that the statue it came from was evil. Hence its a being of...evil?
"Good luck, Kakarrot... You are the Champion!!" Vegeta DBZ ShonenJump Manga Volume 26 p.113

I'm reviewing Dragon Ball! Both the Jap ver. and Uncut Funi Dub! Check out the thread: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =6&t=31208

User avatar
Piririn
Not-So-Newbie
Posts: 54
Joined: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:53 pm

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by Piririn » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:41 pm

I think he just needed a hug and a hot cup of cocoa.

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 21430
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:06 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Did Hirudegarn try to senselessly destroy and kill everything and everyone his his path whenever he was set free? Last time when I watch the movie, that was case. So yeah, Hirudegarn is evil.
Who's to say he wasn't confused over his unfamiliar surroundings? Like a wild animal entering the city. :cry:
Hirudegarn is not Bambi or Godzilla. He is a being created for the sole purpose of destruction.

User avatar
fadeddreams5
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5267
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:53 pm
Location: New York

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:13 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Did Hirudegarn try to senselessly destroy and kill everything and everyone his his path whenever he was set free? Last time when I watch the movie, that was case. So yeah, Hirudegarn is evil.
Who's to say he wasn't confused over his unfamiliar surroundings? Like a wild animal entering the city. :cry:
Hirudegarn is not Bambi or Godzilla. He is a being created for the sole purpose of destruction.
Android 17 and 18 were created and programmed to kill Goku, but they have not done so.

Zero from Mega Man was also created for destruction, but he's now the future's greatest hero!

Hirudegarn is just misunderstood cause he came from an evil statue.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super

supercat
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1641
Joined: Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:25 pm

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by supercat » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:19 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Android 17 and 18 were created and programmed to kill Goku, but they have not done so.

Zero from Mega Man was also created for destruction, but he's now the future's greatest hero!

Hirudegarn is just misunderstood cause he came from an evil statue.
While there probably is that remote possibility that Hirudegarn could be tamed, given his massive power, it may have been an exceptionally risky endeavor to try and reason with the monster. Additionally, given this track record of destruction, it wouldn't surprise me if he was seeded with some form of instinctual maliciousness.

Although unlikely, the only way I could see this partially working is if they exhausted the monster to the brink of death.

The androids were a bit different because I believe they were still subtly influenced by their former human emotions deeply embedded within.

User avatar
FoolsGil
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5038
Joined: Tue May 21, 2013 10:37 pm

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by FoolsGil » Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:46 pm

He's evil in the way that some animals are when they kill for sport and not food. He has no concept of morality, just like an animal.

User avatar
Herms
Kanzenshuu Admin Emeritus
Posts: 10550
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:40 pm
Location: Jupiter
Contact:

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by Herms » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:27 am

We're explicitly told that Boo was created "pure evil" and was "evil itself", yet thanks to absorptions and reincarnation we end up with not one, but two good versions of the character. So it seems the sky's the limit when it comes to characters turning over a new leaf.
Kanzenshuu: Is that place still around?
Sometimes, I tweet things
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

singsing
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 776
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:40 pm

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by singsing » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:36 am

Herms wrote:We're explicitly told that Boo was created "pure evil" and was "evil itself", yet thanks to absorptions and reincarnation we end up with not one, but two good versions of the character. So it seems the sky's the limit when it comes to characters turning over a new leaf.
Even earlier, Kami's pure evil half reincarnation into Piccolo Jr.

User avatar
ChahikoDBZ
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 447
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:20 pm
Location: Florida, U.S.

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by ChahikoDBZ » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:06 am

I never really thought of it this way. I think all Hirudegarn knows is to destroy and such but I believe it's possible he could be tamed differently.
(Fanfiction link coming soon.)

manwolf
Not-So-Newbie
Posts: 72
Joined: Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:46 pm

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by manwolf » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:47 am

Hirudegarn is a copy of Buu, a dark wizard creates a indestructible demon that for some reason absorb evil in the universe, so yeah is very evil, if for some reason a being really good are absorbed by Hirudegan maybe he can become good like Buu but no Supreme good absorbed, no good demon possible.

singsing
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 776
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:40 pm

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by singsing » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:03 pm

manwolf wrote:Hirudegarn is a copy of Buu, a dark wizard creates a indestructible demon that for some reason absorb evil in the universe, so yeah is very evil, if for some reason a being really good are absorbed by Hirudegan maybe he can become good like Buu but no Supreme good absorbed, no good demon possible.
Buu wasn't created by a wizard though.

User avatar
Polyphase Avatron
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6643
Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:48 am

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:34 pm

Herms wrote:We're explicitly told that Boo was created "pure evil" and was "evil itself", yet thanks to absorptions and reincarnation we end up with not one, but two good versions of the character. So it seems the sky's the limit when it comes to characters turning over a new leaf.
I think the Kaioshins just said that because he killed most of them and murdered so many people, so they would naturally call him evil, having never experienced his 'good' side.
Cool stuff that I upload here because Youtube will copyright claim it: https://vimeo.com/user60967147

User avatar
Super Saiyan Turlast x4
I Live Here
Posts: 3411
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:45 am
Location: Philadelphia
Contact:

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:26 am

Yes, he's an evil statue...with a transformation.

He also gets really mad when Goku tells him to attack seriously, so he definitely has a nasty attitude.
"First I whip it out! Then I thrust it! With great force! Every angle...! It penetrates! Until...! With great strength...! I... ram it in! In the end... We are all satisfied... And you are set free...!" ~Dante~

User avatar
fadeddreams5
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5267
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:53 pm
Location: New York

Re: Was Hirudegarn really evil?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:59 am

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Yes, he's an evil statue...with a transformation.

He also gets really mad when Goku tells him to attack seriously, so he definitely has a nasty attitude.
Hirudegarn has pride. Vegeta would also get mad if someone told him that. Hell, even Goku got pissed off when Beerus taunted him.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super

Post Reply