Would the series be better if Chi-Chi just didn't exist?

[DBZAOTA482]

Think about it... it would actually do away with a lot of lame filler. It would also ease my (and possibly others) mind for thinking she had any worth since there would be no worry for what Super would do with her and no more people saying bullshit about her.

No more having even her greatest accomplishments seen as unremarkable or as a joke... which is a sharp contrast to Videl who has even the slightest accomplishments blown out of proportion (i.e. Bukujutsu, breaking majin fodder's neck, etc.), no more getting lashed out at for not confirming to consensus, no more Gohan "fans" bitching how she "ruined" him, no more being used for excessive Goku dick-riding or anything like that, no more confusion, and no more ink being wasted drawing her.

I... just don't know what to believe about her anymore.

[Doctor.]

I wouldn't say it'd be better, but she doesn't add anything of worth to the series, like at all. She could be replaced by any other normal woman and the series would end up the same. Gohan would still be the same character since he became a scholar because that's what he wanted to. Even Toriyama dislikes her.

If Chi-Chi didn't exist, the series would be the exact same. Just with one less character.

[coola]

Just drop her soccer mom behaviour, i know it is apparently popular in Japan, where Japanese moms are (or used to be) study crazy (Thanks VegettoEX for that explanation in my topic about Chi Chi ) But for me, it's not funny, it never was funny, and never gonna be funny.

[Chuquita]

It would wildly alter the events of Z what with how prominent Gohan and Goten are during that. Also BOG. Maybe not so much F. Nomadic Gokû was fun in the early parts of DB though. I dunno; Gokû said he likes her in the latest Super manga chapter (but "like" isn't "love", and there was that Toriyama interview a while back where he said Gokû sees his family members as "companions" rather than how a normal person would view them as a wife and sons). And then we've got Vegeta explaining he thinks why Gokû likes her is because her personality's similar to female saiyans. If it wasn't Chi-Chi it would've been someone like her, probably. Vegeta indirectly dismissed the idea of Suno beating out Chi-Chi (Suno was a nice sweet person by comparison to Chi-Chi's brash and strong-headedness.) so Gokû'd probably have ended up alone, and with how he acts he'd probably be ok with that.

There were legit nice moments in Z between them, but there haven't been any yet in Super, and who knows when Chi-Chi's going to show up again (since she wasn't in the F movie and that's the arc we're in now). I guess I'll just wait and see for whenever she shows up again in Super.

[Hellspawn28]

So who would be the mother of Gohan and Goten then? Gohan is a very important character to the series since he help beat Radditz, Vegeta, help save Dende from Freeza's men, and defeated Cell. In the movies, he defeated Garlic Jr, Bojack and Broli. Chi-Chi is still important in the series despite not being a major character.

[Lunatic Fringe]

She really doesn't have a purpose besides being the mother of Gohan and Goten and none of the gags revolving around her abrasive personality add anything of positive worth to the series. That being said, her being gone or replaced with someone else wouldn't make a difference unless the person you make Goku's wife, in her place, was already positively contributing to either the entertainment of the story or making positive contributions from an in-universe perspective. One person who immediately comes to mind that fits both criteria would be Bulma.

[dbzfan7]

Probably. She adds nothing really worth while and was completely underutilized. She's in the same camp as Goten for me. Except she's worse because she's annoying. She has terrible chemistry with Goku, and they never have any moments that tell me why they love each other in the first place. Their marriage alone was based on a misunderstood promise. Hell if we ever found out how Goku conceived the kids, somehow I bet it had nothing to do with Chi Chi being attractive or him loving her. I don't think the story would change much if you had a different woman be with Goku. Everyone else could still be the same.

Goku should just divorce and fuck with his buddy Vegeta already. It's so obvious they love each other deeply as they always spend so much time together. They are the bestest of pals, soon to be the bestest of lovers. Vegeta thought about Goku so much his entire life and just doesn't want to admit having the hots for him BAKA! They so clearly love each other so much they can't even stay apart. Vegeta goes off to train, but Goku must be with his true life partner. It's why they have so much screen time together. To build up when they inevitably settle down as a couple.

[Doctor.]

Goku should just divorce and fuck with his buddy Vegeta already. It's so obvious they love each other deeply as they always spend so much time together. They are the bestest of pals, soon to be the bestest of lovers. Vegeta thought about Goku so much his entire life and just doesn't want to admit having the hots for him BAKA! They so clearly love each other so much they can't even stay apart. Vegeta goes off to train, but Goku must be with his true life partner. It's why they have so much screen time together. To build up when they inevitably settle down as a couple.

I'm okay with this.

[Chuquita]

Until proven wrong, I still think Gokû and Vegeta's Uni 6 counterparts are in a relationship; just because of how much F was emphasizing Whis saying Gokû and Vegeta should work together and making the two of them share a tiny dorm room while Gokû and Vegeta kept refusing to work together and even ending the movie on them happily agreeing not to do so.

We've already seen "opposites" in skinny god of destruction and fat god of destruction, the male attendant and the female attendant. The other side of the coin of Gokû and Vegeta not wanting to work together would be them in a relationship.

[Man-Child]

Someone would need to fill the role of the mother, regardless. Take that away and there'd be no Gohan or Goten. Even if she were say, killed off after Gohan was born (which would sadly solidify the idea that her only role was to be a womb), you'd lose all of Gohan's character traits and development. I too can find Chi Chi pretty annoying on the show at times, but she does have a significant part in the series, and personally, I enjoy her relationship with Goku and her children.

[B]

No, it wouldn't. Removing Chichi would be a needless change for the sake of it. It's not as if she ever had her own arc or any major focus on her at all.

[MozillaVulpix]

Well, Gohan and Goten wouldn't exist if she didn't...

Goku needed a wife. And Chi-Chi is one of the only people who actually puts up with all the stuff Goku does. Like, abandon everyone. Another character would have divorced him long ago. Chi-Chi doesn't because she (presumably) still loves him in the end.

Sometimes I think the series could have done without her, though. Or, at the very least, it would have been alright if she didn't have so much screentime in filler and the movies and now in Super with her exaggerated personality.

[Kid Buu]

Dude, I don't mean do to be a dick, but like...don't you think you are taking this a little too far? You've made a lot of Chi-Chi threads recently, and you sound depressed over it. Chi-Chi is a gag character man, don't take it too seriously.



Several threads are repetitive (Chichi = Videl, Goku and Chichi as a couple, Goku and Chichi as parents, Chichi's worth/usefulness as a character, Chichi's characterization, etc). At what point is this considered spam?

But to answer your question, if Chichi didnt exist, Toriyama probably would have brought in another female to serve as Gohan's mother. Since most of DB's females seem to have the same personality, it probably wont be too different.

[DBZAOTA482]

Dude, I don't mean do to be a dick, but like...don't you think you are taking this a little too far? You've made a lot of Chi-Chi threads recently, and you sound depressed over it. Chi-Chi is a gag character man, don't take it too seriously.



Several threads are repetitive (Chichi = Videl, Goku and Chichi as a couple, Goku and Chichi as parents, Chichi's worth/usefulness as a character, Chichi's characterization, etc). At what point is this considered spam?

But to answer your question, if Chichi didnt exist, Toriyama probably would have brought in another female to serve as Gohan's mother. Since most of DB's females seem to have the same personality, it probably wont be too different.

If Toei was kinder to Chi-Chi (her characterization in Super not only completely ignores how she was in the Boo Saga but makes her even worse than before) and people didn't disrespect me for seeing her as anything more than a baby-making machine, I wouldn't have done it.

Ever since I saw her gimmick in the Extreme Butoden, I began to question her place in the series and it only worsened once Super came around.

You'd think the wife of the main character Son Goku would be... something.

[Chuquita]

At least she still uses her super-strength in day to day life in Super, it's a reminder that she's stronger than a normal human. She probably could've done cool stuff if Toriyama didn't dislike her. He likes Bulma and seems to be making sure she gets a piece of the plot, so I think it really comes down to that.

[Bullza]

What's the obsession with Chi Chi?

No the series wouldn't be any better nor it would be any worse, she's a minor character who shows up from time to time and usually just nags when she appears and that's about it, it's all she's done since Z. It's not a big deal.

[Hellspawn28]

What's the obsession with Chi Chi?

He seems to like Chi Chi way more then Rocketman did.

[Doctor.]

and people didn't disrespect me for seeing her as anything more than a baby-making machine, I wouldn't have done it.

How are people disrespecting you by saying that about Chi-Chi, a fictional character?

[Gyt Kaliba]

No offense, DBZAOTA482, but you really are taking this a little too much to heart. Does it really matter what others think of your favorite character? If they're your favorite character, then you're free to enjoy them regardless or even in spite of what others think of them. Kuririn gets a lot of crap (though not as much as he used to) and you don't see me wavering in my liking for him. Same with Yamcha fans.

Or hell, to take it out of Dragon Ball and go to two more far more controversial characters - it's almost a unanimous opinion that 'Jar Jar Binks' and 'Scrappy Doo' were the worst things to ever happen to the Star Wars and Scooby Doo franchises. But you know what? They're my favorite characters for those franchises. Period. Does it suck to see people slam them? Sure. But does it change how I feel about them at the end of the day? Nope.

[Lord Beerus]

Well, honestly, I don't really care much for Chi Chi, but I don't think Toriyama would came up with the concept of Chi Chi in the first place if he wasn't going to do something character. It's just that her purpose was ultimately to be Goku's wife, have his kids and provide gag banter. Nothing more and nothing less.