Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenoverse

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Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenoverse

Post by Helios518 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:35 pm

I don't seem to remember the series using the name and I find it weird that Xenoverse used name out of the blue. If you don't know what I'm talking about then it's Cell that mentions the name.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Doctor. » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:45 pm

It's a reference to Dragon Ball Multiverse.

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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by VegettoEX » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:03 pm

Helios518 wrote:I don't seem to remember the series using the name and I find it weird that Xenoverse used name out of the blue. If you don't know what I'm talking about then it's Cell that mentions the name.
No, it's not a term that had ever been used before in official merchandise.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Doctor. » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:04 pm

Oh really? Interesting, I thought Multiverse coined the term. You learn something new every day, I guess. Out of curiosity, what was stated in the Japanese version?

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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by VegettoEX » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:47 pm

Doctor. wrote:Oh really? Interesting, I thought Multiverse coined the term. You learn something new every day, I guess. Out of curiosity, what was stated in the Japanese version?
Don't know off the top of my head. If there's a specific scene you can point me to in the game, I'd be happy to look (if someone else doesn't get to it first).
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:59 pm

I want to say the main place I recall it popping up was if you used a Freeza's race character during some of the Cell Games stuff, but I can't recall if it was specifically in the story mode, or during some of the Parallel Quests that were very much in that area of story.

Personally, I've never been super fond of the 'Frost Demon' moniker, mostly because of the fact that we have actual demons in the series. I guess there's nothing to say that Freeza's race isn't some sort of space based demon, but...ehh...I was also never really that big on the 'Changeling' thing. My fallback was always 'Icer', or 'Ice-jin' if we're talking from a more Japanese version POV.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:27 pm

I'm partial to Arcosian, myself.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Doctor. » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:15 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Don't know off the top of my head. If there's a specific scene you can point me to in the game, I'd be happy to look (if someone else doesn't get to it first).
It's Parallel Quest #22, "Earth in Danger". You have to defeat quite a few enemies before you get to Cell, though. You have to use a character of Freeza's race to get the dialogue, obviously. I'd do it on my own, but I don't have a high leveled one to do it, good luck :P

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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Cetra » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:19 pm

I personally call them Kuraio-jin, a pun for Cryogen. I do not like all these Frost Demon, Arcosian, doujinshi terms that are no good and fitting pun and apparently are even thought of as real by some fans who read it on a random website.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Herms » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:22 pm

If I had to guess, I'd assume this is something only found in the English version of the game. But I don't suppose anyone has a screenshot from the Japanese version to check?
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Soppa Saia People » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:58 pm

Doctor. wrote:It's a reference to Dragon Ball Multiverse.
I really really hope that's not true. Aside from me not liking Multiverse I REALLY hate when a series reference memes or fans created works (IE if Dragon Ball started doing the "KOC"). It just kills the feel of it especially with a series like Dragon Ball. With stuff like South Park and others shows like that it's fine though.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:27 pm

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Doctor. wrote:It's a reference to Dragon Ball Multiverse.
I really really hope that's not true. Aside from me not liking Multiverse I REALLY hate when a series reference memes or fans created works (IE if Dragon Ball started doing the "KOC"). It just kills the feel of it especially with a series like Dragon Ball. With stuff like South Park and others shows like that it's fine though.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:42 pm

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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Herms » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:44 pm

Looking around a bit, I can't find any mention of "Frost Demon" being used in the Japanese version of Xenoverse. So I'm guessing it was something the English localizers threw in.

Also, for the record the Japanese translation of DB Multiverse translates "Frost Demon" as フロスト族, "Frost Clan" (which also isn't used in Xenoverse, near as I can tell).
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Cetra » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:57 pm

Herms wrote: Also, for the record the Japanese translation of DB Multiverse translates "Frost Demon" as フロスト族, "Frost Clan" (which also isn't used in Xenoverse, near as I can tell).
Dragon Ball Multiverse is French though, so that probably means nothing.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Herms » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:45 pm

Cetra wrote:Dragon Ball Multiverse is French though, so that probably means nothing.
My point being that if Multiverse had been referenced in the Japanese version of Xenoverse, then "Frost Clan" would probably have been the name they would have used, since that's what's used in the Japanese translation of Multiverse itself. But as it is, neither that nor "Frost Demon" seem to be referenced.

Although on that note, "Frost Demon" didn't actually originate with Multiverse, did it? I thought it was a pre-existing fan term that Multiverse simply adopted.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by VegettoEX » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:57 pm

Just got around to this. It's from the American release (so no JP text on-screen), but in Japanese in terms of audio, and I turned down the SFX and music to the lowest audible level.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Herms » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:09 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Just got around to this. It's from the American release (so no JP text on-screen), but in Japanese in terms of audio, and I turned down the SFX and music to the lowest audible level.
Cell just says "your race" (きさまらの一族). No specific name, nothing about "frost" or anything. As suspected.
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Sandubadear » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:07 pm

Hm, I've not seen the words フロスト悪魔 as being in the Japanese version, so it's false :think:
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Re: Was the term Frost Demon used in the series before Xenov

Post by Zelvin » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:37 pm

As far as the terminology goes, I don't mind them being called Frost Demons. Certainly far better than referring to an entire race as "Freeza Clan". The English dub filler referred to the Planet Traders as Arcosians, and that term has been used by fans, but it never specifically said it was referred to Freeza's race specifically. It was filler anyway. As far as being called a Frost Demon in Xenoverse, Cell does call you that when playing as the race and you have him as a Mentor. He'll say it in mission and as one of his random dialogues when talking to him in Toki Toki City.

As far as the naming foes, well "Frost" in Japanese is "Shimo". And demon is read as "Oni". Varitions exist so it's sometimes hard to pin down. Anyway, I feel that if it were to be used in Japanese it may be something like "Shioni-jin". Shi from "shimo", Frost, Oni from "Oni" meaning demon, and of course jin meaning "people". I think it could work, but that's just me having thoughts.
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