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Thoughts on Monaka now?

Post by precita » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:13 pm

So now that we have had Monaka around for a while he's essentially a comic relief silly character that stands around in a daze most of the time. What do you think of him? Will we be seeing more of him?

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Re: Thoughts on Monaka now?

Post by ryou766 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:14 pm

He's on the same boat as Mr. Satan and Jaco - comedic relief. Nothing more and nothing less.

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Post by Grimlock » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:26 pm

I don't have much thought on him, he's uh... I don't know, there's nothing about him that draws my attention, he's a regular character as much as Pilaf and his gang. But unlike Pilaf, I hope he's not overused otherwise he will become a boring character.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:56 pm

ryou766 wrote:He's on the same boat as Mr. Satan and Jaco - comedic relief. Nothing more and nothing less.
Pretty much that. He's the new Mr Satan. 100% gag character.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:09 pm

While he's not the worst twist in that arc (that dubious 'honor' belongs to Frost), I do find myself a bit disappointed that Monaka turned out to be a red herring. While it does twist the old 'the smaller, weaker they look, the stronger they actually are' gimmick on it's head by for once the character being exactly how they looked, that's not really worth the other two elements we lose out on as a result, IMO. Those elements being 1) Goku and Vegeta not being the 'unique, out of the ordinary' rare people who can rival the Gods we're being introduced to now - sure, Hit also kinda helps show that, but it would have been nice to have another one from our home universe; and 2) the continued reactions from people who could not accept someone looking like Monaka being so strong would have been perfection.

I'm admittedly a bit biased on that last one though.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:09 pm

I like him as a normal guy. Just a delivery man. He doesn't need to be anything more like Hercule is.

And I'm disappointed with Jaco to say the least.
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Re: Thoughts on Monaka now?

Post by ryou766 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:21 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:And I'm disappointed with Jaco to say the least.
Why's that? I enjoy his presence much more than Monaka's.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:29 pm

He needs to go. Stupid, pointless joke character with a lame-ass character design for no real reason.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:31 pm

ryou766 wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:And I'm disappointed with Jaco to say the least.
Why's that? I enjoy his presence much more than Monaka's.
He should do a lot more than provide comic relief. Seems like a waste of a perfectly good character to me. But I do enjoy him more than Monaka as well.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:35 pm

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ryou766 wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:And I'm disappointed with Jaco to say the least.
Why's that? I enjoy his presence much more than Monaka's.
He should do a lot more than provide comic relief. Seems like a waste of a perfectly good character to me. But I do enjoy him more than Monaka as well.
Well, he did manage to do some exposition during the Champa arc. Could be he takes Vegeta's place as the guy who knows about a lot of 'cosmic' stuff. I'd be fine with that.
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Re: Thoughts on Monaka now?

Post by ryou766 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:42 pm

I still remember the "Monaka has a true, deadly form" theories.

Instead we got.. this.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:05 am

I feel like almost everything he did could have been done better by Mr. Satan.
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Re: Thoughts on Monaka now?

Post by LightBing » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:33 am

Every time a character is introduced with the prospect of lore expansion I get super happy. Yeah, Monaka is slightly disappointing. I still love his design and Mr.Toriyama giving us the double bluff(which I couldn't call :oops: ).

Seriously a lot of people on this forum saw their expectations explode in their faces, Mr.Toriyama does it again!
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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:41 am

I predicted Monaca was a weak piece of shit from the start and i was right. I still think his overall character is pretty weak and not at all interesting.

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Post by MozillaVulpix » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:16 am

He's alright. He's not particularly interesting, but I think that's the point. He's supposed to be the most ordinary-looking, forgettable guy. The joke right now comes from the fact that Goku still believes he's strong. It's a joke about Goku, not necessarily a joke about Monaka.

I really can't imagine what else they can do with him. Like Mr. Satan, his gag is pretty one-note. Then again, Mr. Satan got a bit more interesting in the Buu Arc, so I guess you never know.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:48 am

I want to see him fight Mr. Satan.
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Re: Thoughts on Monaka now?

Post by TheGreatness25 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:58 am

Are Mr. Satan, Jaco, and Muten Roshi still relevant characters in Super? Is there too much comic relief or does the series do well with that?

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Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:04 am

Monaka's pointless. Goku and Vegeta already have benchmarks of power to strive towards with Beerus and Whis, there's no reason to invent another one.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:14 am

ekrolo2 wrote:Monaka's pointless. Goku and Vegeta already have benchmarks of power to strive towards with Beerus and Whis, there's no reason to invent another one.
Thing is though, they're both Gods (like actual gods, not just guys with God forms), and are both overwhelmingly stronger than Goku and Vegeta. My best guess is that Beerus thought they might need another mortal being, who's stronger than them but seemingly closer to them in strength than to Beerus/Whis, to help inspire them to go further...it just backfires incredibly when everyone except Goku ends up figuring out the ruse, and Champa actually had people with interesting enough abilities to keep things interesting for Goku/Vegeta, and at least one the one guy (Hit) who would keep them striving to get stronger too.
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Re: Thoughts on Monaka now?

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:24 am

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ekrolo2 wrote:Monaka's pointless. Goku and Vegeta already have benchmarks of power to strive towards with Beerus and Whis, there's no reason to invent another one.
Thing is though, they're both Gods (like actual gods, not just guys with God forms), and are both overwhelmingly stronger than Goku and Vegeta. My best guess is that Beerus thought they might need another mortal being, who's stronger than them but seemingly closer to them in strength than to Beerus/Whis, to help inspire them to go further...it just backfires incredibly when everyone except Goku ends up figuring out the ruse, and Champa actually had people with interesting enough abilities to keep things interesting for Goku/Vegeta, and at least one the one guy (Hit) who would keep them striving to get stronger too.
I think it wouldn't bother me so much if Beerus hadn't put him into the tournament. He seems to take the whole thing a lot more seriously than almost everyone else present doesn't, yet he brings in a random guy and posses him as Monaka. He could've just had Whis hunt down some other fighter from U7, have Whis train him and basically fulfill the same function without looking like a total jackass.
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