Could kid Goten and Trunks beat Namek-era Freeza?

[precita]

Let's say kid Goten and Trunks fight him, without using fusion, and individually. And let's say they're being serious, not fooling around and fighting for real.

Are kid Goten and Trunks as Super Saiyans on par with Namek-era Super Saiyan Goku and Freeza?

[DBZAOTA482]

Base Goten or Base Trunks could waste Pre-RoF Freeza with one blast.

[Sailor Haumea]

Definitely.

Remember what happened to Avo and Cado?

[TheUltimateNinja]

They'd do it effortlessly, I'd say they're at least Android 16/Imperfect Cell tier.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

If the plot calls for it, yes they could.

[theherodjl]

Base Goten & Trunks are close to 50% Freeza apiece, but if he went 100% they'd be overwhelmed. However the boys may be able to hold out if Freeza toyed around and let his 100% power dwindle which is a likely scenario given his arrogance.

[Analytic]

SS Goten gave SS Teen Gohan immense difficulty blocking his blows and even made him sweat profusely, while SS Trunks managed to land a hit on SS Vegeta. I couldn't imagine Namek-era Freeza ever coming close to either of those feats.

[SH69]

Base Goten or Base Trunks could waste Pre-RoF Freeza with one blast.

I don't think they'd be able to do it in their Base Forms; heck, even Base Goku was weaker than Frieza until BoG. With Super Saiyan, they'd probably beat him with ease though.

[Kaboom]

They couldn't beat Freeza without Super Saiyan (even their dads couldn't do that yet pre-god-ki), but with it they could obliterate him. There's a lot of discourse and opinion on just how strong Goten and Trunks are, but a held-back blast from Super Saiyan Trunks was enough to seriously intimidate Eighteen. That demonstrates that their full power is at least on-par with hers, if not even even stronger, and thus quite a bit beyond Freeza.

[TheUltimateNinja]

They couldn't beat Freeza without Super Saiyan (even their dads couldn't do that yet pre-god-ki), but with it they could obliterate him. There's a lot of discourse and opinion on just how strong Goten and Trunks are, but a held-back blast from Super Saiyan Trunks was enough to seriously intimidate Eighteen. That demonstrates that their full power is at least on-par with hers, if not even even stronger, and thus quite a bit beyond Freeza.

You know, that reveal completely ruined all my early power levels. I had the base Saiyans going into the billions by the Buu saga prior to the movie's release, so back then I'd have said Base Goten and Trunks could easily destroy him.

[Captain Strawberry]

When they trained in the hyperbolic time chamber, it's implied they grew significantly stronger so probably.

[fadeddreams5]

If we're using DBZ logic, they'd need SSJ to beat him, but they easily could. Base forms were never shown to be a whole deal stronger after becoming SSJ in the original series. That was sort of the point of the SSJ forms: to break the limits set by their standard forms.

If we're using GT logic, they obliterate Namek-era Frieza in base. Here, base forms are shown to increase in power exponentially through training, to the point where GT Goku, at the very least, is as strong as or stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan.

If we're using Super logic, Base Goten beats final form Frieza, but SSJ Kid Trunks struggles against his first form. SSJ3 Gotenks might be beaten by second form Frieza, but SSJ2 Gotenks would easily defeat Frieza's third form.

[DBZAOTA482]

Base Goten or Base Trunks could waste Pre-RoF Freeza with one blast.

I don't think they'd be able to do it in their Base Forms; heck, even Base Goku was weaker than Frieza until BoG. With Super Saiyan, they'd probably beat him with ease though.

That's just Beerus talking out of his ass. Trunks roughed up #18 in base form.

Please don't kill me, Lord Beerus.

[nickzambuto]

Trunks and Goten are extremely underrated. They were sparring partners to FPSSJ Gohan and Vegeta. Piccolo's jaw dropped when he witnessed their power. People always assume that fusion grants some magical, unquantifiable boost of random energy to the fusees just to explain why Gotenks is so strong, but a much more simple explanation is right in front of us; maybe Goten and Trunks are just nearly as strong as Goku already.

Going by the events of the 25th Tournament arc, where Goten was nearly on par with Gohan and Trunks could actually give Vegeta a hard time, we can think of it like this.

Goten - 7
Trunks - 7
Gohan - 8
Vegeta - 9
Goku - 10

But then Goten and Trunks trained for the tournament, and also trained in the ROSAT. If they weren't on par with Gohan already, they certainly were then.

And 8 + 8 = 16. That makes Gotenks way stronger than Goku, since they can both reach SSJ3.

[Ash57]

Kid Goten and Trunks are FAR stronger than Freeza. Picolo states in the manga that both Goten and Trunks are their only hope(against Boo), BEFORE fusion is even mentioned, which means Goten and Trunks are decently above Piccolo, who is strong enough to hold his own against a Cell Jr. in the manga. Akira Toriyama stated in an interview that Piccolo always trains in the peacetime, which means Boo Saga Piccolo is stronger than Cell Games Piccolo. All of this suggests that Goten and Trunks are above the Cell Jr. mark in their Super Saiyan forms.

The outcome of this fight is clear; Goten and Trunks would obliterate ANY form or percentage of Freeza by yelling at him.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Kid Goten and Trunks are FAR stronger than Freeza. Picolo states in the manga that both Goten and Trunks are their only hope(against Boo), BEFORE fusion is even mentioned, which means Goten and Trunks are decently above Piccolo, who is strong enough to hold his own against a Cell Jr. in the manga. Akira Toriyama stated in an interview that Piccolo always trains in the peacetime, which means Boo Saga Piccolo is stronger than Cell Games Piccolo. All of this suggests that Goten and Trunks are above the Cell Jr. mark in their Super Saiyan forms.

The outcome of this fight is clear; Goten and Trunks would obliterate ANY form or percentage of Freeza by yelling at him.

PIccolo was most likely thinking of having them train in the time chamber because unlike the others they'd never been in there so they'd still have 2 full years, plus they're quite young and have never had any serious training so their gains in their would be quite large.

[FoolsGil]

Even if their Super Saiyan levels were higher than his 4th form at 100%, wouldn't mean they would automatically win. They're still kids, Freeza could probably outsmart them.

[ekrolo2]

You know, that reveal completely ruined all my early power levels. I had the base Saiyans going into the billions by the Buu saga prior to the movie's release, so back then I'd have said Base Goten and Trunks could easily destroy him.

You wouldn't have been necessarily wrong putting them in the billions range either, there's some evidence supporting that with them being stronger than Piccolo in Base.

Even if their Super Saiyan levels were higher than his 4th form at 100%, wouldn't mean they would automatically win. They're still kids, Freeza could probably outsmart them.

Assuming Freeza's Kienzan or Death Saucer is similar to Krillin's in terms of cutting power, I can see at least one of the two brats being stupid enough to try and tank it only to get killed.

[TheUltimateNinja]

You know, that reveal completely ruined all my early power levels. I had the base Saiyans going into the billions by the Buu saga prior to the movie's release, so back then I'd have said Base Goten and Trunks could easily destroy him.

You wouldn't have been necessarily wrong putting them in the billions range either, there's some evidence supporting that with them being stronger than Piccolo in Base.

Even if their Super Saiyan levels were higher than his 4th form at 100%, wouldn't mean they would automatically win. They're still kids, Freeza could probably outsmart them.

Assuming Freeza's Kienzan or Death Saucer is similar to Krillin's in terms of cutting power, I can see at least one of the two brats being stupid enough to try and tank it only to get killed.

Plus Frieza has insane durability and the kids tend to waste time playing around in base instead of going SSJ immediately, and even when they do they're rarely serious about fighting. Sure, the OP specifies they're fighting seriously but their childish characteristics should still hold true.

[Alehandrew]

If the plot calls for it, yes they could.

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