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TekTheNinja
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by TekTheNinja » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:48 pm
I mean balance in the universe, blah blah blah, yada yada yada, but still! This is a dude who commits genocide on anyone who doesn't bribe him well enough with food. There HAVE been a few hints at Beerus maybe still not being able to be trusted, but overall everyone seems pretty damn friendly with him now.
Like whatever happened to that whole, "This is for all the innocent people you killed," thing you said to Frieza, Goku? Now when Beerus does it you're not even a little bothered as long as he spares Earth? Geez.

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by Cursemark505 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:21 pm
TekTheNinja wrote:I mean balance in the universe, blah blah blah, yada yada yada, but still! This is a dude who commits genocide on anyone who doesn't bribe him well enough with food. There HAVE been a few hints at Beerus maybe still not being able to be trusted, but overall everyone seems pretty damn friendly with him now.
Like whatever happened to that whole, "This is for all the innocent people you killed," thing you said to Frieza, Goku? Now when Beerus does it you're not even a little bothered as long as he spares Earth? Geez.

It's his job. What do you want them to do? If they don't comply they'll be killed. They're no saints themselves & they don't act as such. There are already a couple of mass murderers in the cast anyways.
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by WhatsUpPigeons » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:34 pm
I bet that one day Zeno will force Beerus to do his job on earth or lose his job, that way we can have a full fight with Beerus while at the same time keeping him a deity instead of a villain. Anyone on earth is fair game to fight, I think that would make the ultimate final arc for DBS.
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by Yedis » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:44 pm
Beerus and Whis were assholes when they were first introduced, but you can say the same for a lot of Z-fighters. They've also scaled back on the "planet destroying" thing too.
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by TekTheNinja » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:46 pm
Cursemark505 wrote:
It's his job.
So what? Seems out of character for some of them to be okay with it. How's he any different from Frieza?
What do you want them to do? If they don't comply they'll be killed.
Well obviously they aren't strong enough to fight him yet, but I feel like everyone seems to have forgotten that he's a damn genocidal god of destruction.
They're no saints themselves & they don't act as such.
What do you mean? The Z fighters are good people. They don't go around blowing up planets.
There are already a couple of mass murderers in the cast anyways.
Reformed mass murderers, yes. Piccolo and Vegeta are a far cry from what they used to be, and Buu just didn't understand the concept of morality, but realized what he was doing was bad when Mr. Satan told him it was. Beerus on the other hand hasn't changed much from when he first appeared.
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by Yomi » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:15 pm
Well, beerus is a god. And you give him offerings to keep him happy.
When he was introduced in Super he only blew up half a planet because their offering was "too greasy"
He calls earth a gourmet planet so I doubt he's going to destroy it anytime soon.
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by TekTheNinja » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:22 am
Yomi wrote:Well, beerus is a god. And you give him offerings to keep him happy.
When he was introduced in Super he only blew up half a planet because their offering was "too greasy"
He calls earth a gourmet planet so I doubt he's going to destroy it anytime soon.
I feel like you've missed my entire point.
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by sintzu » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:47 am
He turned Zamasu to dust so there's not much they could do even if they wanted to.
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by Yomi » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:06 am
TekTheNinja wrote:
I feel like you've missed my entire point.
They're supposed to hate him for killing people?
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by precita » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:58 am
Beerus is the next Vegeta, Piccolo, Androids, Buu, etc.
He's slowly becoming their friend and less and less arrogant/violent/disregard for life.
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by LightBing » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:50 am
It's not like Goku and the rest of the group actually care about good, unless it's being oppressed right in front of them. Goku didn't defeat Freeza and went: "let's defeat the rest of his army, for justice and peace!". No, he just didn't care.
The cast is mainly composed by selfish people, who at various times have put the lives of innocent people on the line just to have a good fight.
Besides it's a possibility that Beerus never destroyed anything, after the BoG arc. I base this on Zeno-chan's warning at the tournament, where he said Beerus and Champa weren't doing their jobs.
It's likely Beerus likes the Earth and it's people(food) and doesn't want to create unnecessary conflicts.
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by emperior » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:40 am
LightBing wrote:It's not like Goku and the rest of the group actually care about good, unless it's being oppressed right in front of them. Goku didn't defeat Freeza and went: "let's defeat the rest of his army, for justice and peace!". No, he just didn't care.
The cast is mainly composed by selfish people, who at various times have put the lives of innocent people on the line just to have a good fight.
Besides it's a possibility that Beerus never destroyed anything, after the BoG arc. I base this on Zeno-chan's warning at the tournament, where he said Beerus and Champa weren't doing their jobs.
It's likely Beerus likes the Earth and it's people(food) and doesn't want to create unnecessary conflicts.
Plus the fact Beerus can decide whatever planet he wants to destroy. As Gowasu said, killing mortals is the God of Destruction's job and he is the only one who can decide which humans need to be killed.
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by Bullza » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:43 am
Well it was sorta thanks to him and Whis that Earth was saved after Frieza blew it up and killed all their friends and family.
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by ekrolo2 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:45 am
I'm still annoyed they're fine with Vegeta, never mind Beerus.
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by Baggie_Saiyan » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:09 am
ekrolo2 wrote:I'm still annoyed they're fine with Vegeta, never mind Beerus.
That BoG extended scene where they all clap for him must have killed you then

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by ekrolo2 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:12 am
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:ekrolo2 wrote:I'm still annoyed they're fine with Vegeta, never mind Beerus.
That BoG extended scene where they all clap for him must have killed you then

Its really odd how they're okay with him screwing them over so many times along with his massive body count from his planet killing days. I'm not saying they should hate him but the fact they're so okay with everything he's done bugs me.
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by HeroR » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:30 am
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:ekrolo2 wrote:I'm still annoyed they're fine with Vegeta, never mind Beerus.
That BoG extended scene where they all clap for him must have killed you then

That scene always make me laugh since they treat Vegeta's mass-murdering past like he had a drug addition and he's now clean. Every time they think Vegeta maybe evil again, it's treated like, 'he fell off the wagon'.
Most of this is culture clash. I remember reading that in Japan they are extremely forgiving of one's crimes if you repent or feel real shame. Which is why so many villains tend to reform in anime/manga.
Kanassa wrote:precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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by ekrolo2 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:34 am
HeroR wrote:That scene always make me laugh since they treat Vegeta's mass-murdering past like he had a drug addition and he's now clean. Every time they think Vegeta maybe evil again, it's treated like, 'he fell off the wagon'.
Most of this is culture clash. I remember reading that in Japan they are extremely forgiving of one's crimes if you repent or feel real shame. Which is why so many villains tend to reform in anime/manga.
Oh wow, I never made the comparison but that's crazy accurate

It really IS like a drug addiction for them. Then again, does Vegeta ever really say or imply he's sorry for all that he's done? I know he apologizes for Gohan "dying" when Fat Boo attacks him but I don't recall anything else.
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by HeroR » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:49 am
ekrolo2 wrote:HeroR wrote:That scene always make me laugh since they treat Vegeta's mass-murdering past like he had a drug addition and he's now clean. Every time they think Vegeta maybe evil again, it's treated like, 'he fell off the wagon'.
Most of this is culture clash. I remember reading that in Japan they are extremely forgiving of one's crimes if you repent or feel real shame. Which is why so many villains tend to reform in anime/manga.
Oh wow, I never made the comparison but that's crazy accurate

It really IS like a drug addiction for them. Then again, does Vegeta ever really say or imply he's sorry for all that he's done? I know he apologizes for Gohan "dying" when Fat Boo attacks him but I don't recall anything else.
When Goku mentioned Vegeta wanting to destroy Earth back during the Champa Saga, Vegeta got irritated for Goku bringing up the past. That is the closest I can remember to Vegeta being sorry about that part of his life. Similar to Piccolo being upset when Krillin mentioned how he was once the Demon King back in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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by Legion » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:04 pm
Beerus is not like Frieza. His destruction is necessary to maintain balance in the universe. Z fighters know this. Is his job.