Do you like the manga's pacing?

[Captain Strawberry]

Take the anime out of the equation.

I really like the pacing of the manga, what about you?

[Draconic]

During BoG and the early parts of the Universe 6 arc it was good, but ever since the beginning of the tournament it's been a horrible mess. Goku vs Frost and Vegeta vs Frost are dragged out to hell, while Piccolo vs Frost barely gets enough time. And the rushed final chapter of that arc is just disgusting.

Even recently, in the previous two chapters we had half of each one get wasted on a boring flashback and a kart game, while in the last chapter the whole mystery of the arc is solved in like 2 minutes trough fucking trash exposition. The horrible pacing of the manga really ruined this arc, which is sad cause the first chapter in the arc was amazing and it's finally drawn and composed decently.

[Kanassa]

The manga seems to only care about fast forwarding to the fight scenes, sometimes stopping for a rather good joke. I dislike it

[Ki Breaker]

Manga's Pacing is fast, but it all feels connected, there is no loss of momentum..
And the art is good! It feels great overall..

[sintzu]

It's way too fast for me.

[Boo Machine]

It's on the 4th story arc in 17-18 chapters. That is much too fast for me to take it very seriously. I know it's promotional and so it had to do what it can to keep up with the anime so I don't rail on it very hard. But it doesn't feel like a complete story because of it. It feels like the summary of a story that is already happening else where with a few changes here and there.

[LightBing]

Not the previous ones but this arc I can say is comparable to the original manga. Which is why it surprises me people call this arc rushed. Must be due to all the padding the anime introduced.

Comparing with the original manga and anime it's pretty close.

Freeza Saga:
Manga - 37 chapters
Anime - 33 episodes
1,12/1

Android Saga:
Manga - 20 chapters
Anime - 13 episodes
1,53/1

Cell Games Saga:
Manga - 32 chapters
Anime - 28 episodes
1,14/1

Fusion Saga:
Manga - 23 chapters
Anime - 21 episodes
1,09/1

Future Trunks Arc: Note that each chapter has 39 pages compared to the 13-15 of the original manga. Because of that I count each Super chapter as 2,5 chapters of the original manga.
Manga - 12,5 chapters (5) Still Going.
Anime - 19 episodes
0,65/1

With three more chapters it will follow the norm. Which is what I predicted in another thread a week or two ago. Goku and Vegeta just met Black, yeah we should still have a long way to go.

In conclusion the first couple of arc were rushed, specially the BoG arc. With the greater number of pages given, this actually feels like the original Dragon Ball, we just need to switch what medium is the "main product".

[Lord Beerus]

The pacing was fine until it reached the fights starting in the Universe 6/7 Tournament, then fights were dragged out and finale of the arc was insanely rushed. The pacing of the Future Trunks arc has been quite bad. The lack of any kind of development for Zamasu as well as rushing the reveal of Goku Black is has ruined my enjoyment of the manga quite a bit. And while I appreciate giving more context of Future Trunks training with Kaioshin and what happened when Babidi and Dabra invaded Future Trunks' world, it ultimately felt a like chapter wasted on padding a story-line that didn't really need that much time or attention.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I think it has sped up in order to pass the anime. The pacing at first was great but recently has been bad. It reminds me of how events unfold in a sunday morning newspaper comic not a story.

[Neon Z]

I like the pacing of the current arc. I think people are too focused on what the anime did, and consider anything missing from the manga it being "rushed" - but it actually has been pretty slow if you look at what's actually happening in the manga itself - more than one 40 pages chapter just with Trunks running away in the future, the half chapter Future Buu Saga flashback, Zamasu and Gowasu's travel to the future also had quite a few pages with barely any dialogue.

I fear that the actual battle will end up rushed though, but we'll see how it's going to be executed. 3-4 chapters for a final battle works just fine. and 80 pages is more than that.

The tournament was really inconsistent. The pacing seemed fine initially, but then, just like in the anime, it wastes a lot of time with Frost for little reason and, unlike in the anime, the Hit battle ended up too short due to that (Goku doesn't even really fight after turning into SSJ God, going straight to Blue afterwards), and there was also how the epilogue was executed just as narration, hurting the debut of the new Shenlong.

I wonder if Toriyama really thought Frost would end up as a fan favorite? That's the only reason I can see he had so much presence in both anime and manga in spite of being completely irrelevant.

[eledoremassis02]

I thought it was rushed in the begining but I feel the 40 page count helped a lot. Also, I'm glad akira toriyama is atleast overseeing this and providing direct input, I think that helps. I'm reading toyables AF and I feel it's similar in pacing to the black arc.

[simtek34]

[spoiler]

Not the previous ones but this arc I can say is comparable to the original manga. Which is why it surprises me people call this arc rushed. Must be due to all the padding the anime introduced.

Comparing with the original manga and anime it's pretty close.

Freeza Saga:
Manga - 37 chapters
Anime - 33 episodes
1,12/1

Android Saga:
Manga - 20 chapters
Anime - 13 episodes
1,53/1

Cell Games Saga:
Manga - 32 chapters
Anime - 28 episodes
1,14/1

Fusion Saga:
Manga - 23 chapters
Anime - 21 episodes
1,09/1

Future Trunks Arc: Note that each chapter has 39 pages compared to the 13-15 of the original manga. Because of that I count each Super chapter as 2,5 chapters of the original manga.
Manga - 12,5 chapters (5) Still Going.
Anime - 19 episodes
0,65/1

With three more chapters it will follow the norm. Which is what I predicted in another thread a week or two ago. Goku and Vegeta just met Black, yeah we should still have a long way to go.

In conclusion the first couple of arc were rushed, specially the BoG arc. With the greater number of pages given, this actually feels like the original Dragon Ball, we just need to switch what medium is the "main product".

[/spoiler]
How is it compared to the Kai versions by numbers?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

People talk about there being remarkably few chapters per arc, but remember that Toriyama's manga chapters were about 15 pages, while Toyotaro's newer ones are about 40 pages. Each Toyotaro chapter is 8/3 of a Toriyama chapter. Considering the schedule, Toyotaro is doing almost 3/4 of the content per month that Toriyama was during the original run. Granted, the length of Toyotaro's arcs are still shorter, especially so back when he was doing 20-30 pages, but I suspect that if we compared the amount of pages, rather than chapters, we wouldn't get such an overwhelmingly lopsided result.

Also, we have to keep in mind that Toyotaro can't deviate far from his source material, which seems to be very little and very vague. It's a problem with the anime, too. As long as DBS maintains this disjointed story production, pacing issues are inevitable.

The manga seems to only care about fast forwarding to the fight scenes, sometimes stopping for a rather good joke. I dislike it

That may have been a problem in the past, especially with BoG and the end of the tournament (we have to be lenient on it, since the tournament is literally fighting for the sake of fights, the anime has the same problem), but the FT Arc feels like a complete product so far. Once Toyotaro wraps up the arc, most of us estimate that that will happen in January, I encourage you to read through starting at chapter 14.

[Totamo]

I am honestly surprised people are mad about the reveal of black especially after the backlash the anime got when it did it.

I am glad toyo skipped it because there was no point in having a mystery we already knew the answer too.

however zamasu's characterzation in the manga seems more point driven and not an elevation to insanity like the anime.

which people criticized.......also

[Cipher]

Is this specific to Super?

It's enjoyable, but I think even if you weren't aware it was designed to be ancillary to the anime, a number of things, pacing included, would quickly tip you off. Toyotarou does a good job with it, but it can't feel as natural as a weekly JUMP series, or even other monthly series, given the necessity of keeping pace with a weekly TV show. For example, the Trunks arc seems primed to move from setup to climax in the blink of an eye. Certainly fun and readable, but not what you'd imagine any author doing on their own schedule.

[emi_b7]

It's way too fast for my liking but, being a monthly manga that tries to keep up with a weekly anime, I don't think it could be much better. It is still enjoyable though.

[Nejishiki]

[spoiler]

Not the previous ones but this arc I can say is comparable to the original manga. Which is why it surprises me people call this arc rushed. Must be due to all the padding the anime introduced.

Comparing with the original manga and anime it's pretty close.

Freeza Saga:
Manga - 37 chapters
Anime - 33 episodes
1,12/1

Android Saga:
Manga - 20 chapters
Anime - 13 episodes
1,53/1

Cell Games Saga:
Manga - 32 chapters
Anime - 28 episodes
1,14/1

Fusion Saga:
Manga - 23 chapters
Anime - 21 episodes
1,09/1

Future Trunks Arc: Note that each chapter has 39 pages compared to the 13-15 of the original manga. Because of that I count each Super chapter as 2,5 chapters of the original manga.
Manga - 12,5 chapters (5) Still Going.
Anime - 19 episodes
0,65/1

With three more chapters it will follow the norm. Which is what I predicted in another thread a week or two ago. Goku and Vegeta just met Black, yeah we should still have a long way to go.

In conclusion the first couple of arc were rushed, specially the BoG arc. With the greater number of pages given, this actually feels like the original Dragon Ball, we just need to switch what medium is the "main product".

[/spoiler]
How is it compared to the Kai versions by numbers?

Saiyan arc:
47 chapters to 16 episodes
Namek arc:
89 chapters to 38 episodes
Artificial Humans arc:
91 chapters to 44 episodes
Boo arc:
99 chapters to 61 episodes
International Boo arc:
99 chapters to 69 episodes

[Gig]

I am glad toyo skipped it because there was no point in having a mystery we already knew the answer too.

It feels a bit "strange" to follow the story in the manga after having seen it in the anime.
In the anime, the mystery behind Black's true identity was the strongest point of the arc, which made characters and fans speculate for days and months, respectively. A link with Zamasu was hinted quite early also there, but the exact relationship has been revealed later. In the manga, Black's mystery is almost completely skipped and so reacting as "What? Did they skip the better idea of the arc?" is normal. But on the other hand, everyone who already seen the manga knows the answer, so dragging it long may have been useless. I don't know would consider this pacing someone who hasn't seen the anime first. Maybe Toyotaro may have not mentioned the body switch in chapter 18 and waited for at least another chapter to let characters know that detail, from Black himself...

Considering it has been stated that the manga will be ahead from the anime in the future, I fear that reading the manga will became a "spoiler" then...

[OT] About the manga, the odd "mouth senzu" thing is also there. And it looks like it confirms that Goku really has never kissed, while we hoped he was just referring to "mouth feeding senzus"... We have already said that in the real world there are some cultures which really do not kiss, but it looks like Vegeta considers kissing a normal thing...

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It's way too fast for my liking but, being a monthly manga that tries to keep up with a weekly anime, I don't think it could be much better. It is still enjoyable though.

That is certainly a big hindrance for Toyo since Super is made for a weekly TV seires but as others have said despite that he does questionable things like he wasted time giving a longer flashbacks (which is what Toei should have done not him) and then having them play a video game then rushes through the Black stuff, there's only so much you can excuse him by with the monthly schedule.

[Abra kadabra]

I like it. The goku black mystery wasn't really a mystery or important imo so I'm fine with them skipping over it