Dodon Ray

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Dodon Ray

Post by Kishido » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:14 pm

Why no one like Goku tried to use it.

It is said to be superiour to Kamehameha after all

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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by Ki Breaker » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:19 pm

Did it prove to be superior than Kamehameha though?
Dodon ray is pretty much a concentrated energy beam, piccolo created a far better version of it by SBC..
Kamehameha would make an opponent turn to dust, donon would Peirce them if you manage to hit it..
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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by floofychan333 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:47 pm

Akira Toriyama just forgot about it, like he does for many things.
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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:22 pm

Kishido wrote:Why no one like Goku tried to use it.

It is said to be superiour to Kamehameha after all
Actually, that was the kikoho (the tri-beam). The dodon ray was never said to be superior to the kamehameha.

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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by Kishido » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:31 am

dragonball0900 wrote:
Kishido wrote:Why no one like Goku tried to use it.

It is said to be superiour to Kamehameha after all
Actually, that was the kikoho (the tri-beam). The dodon ray was never said to be superior to the kamehameha.
You are right my mistake. The comment was about Krillind amateur Kamehameha

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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:26 pm

I always thought that Freeza's death beam was a similar technique.
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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by Nejishiki » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:02 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:I always thought that Freeza's death beam was a similar technique.
Indeed, they're quite similar! The main difference, if it actually exists from my older observations, is that Dodonpa doesn't need to be charged. It fires instantaneously. I believe Freeza's beam, while superior, still required a brief charge time. With Freeza improving Kuririn's Kienzan with homing capabilities, I'd hate to see what he'd do around other unique techniques. Replacing a millisecond with instant would be a problem for everyone. :?

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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by Darkprince410 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:24 am

Nejishiki wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:I always thought that Freeza's death beam was a similar technique.
Indeed, they're quite similar! The main difference, if it actually exists from my older observations, is that Dodonpa doesn't need to be charged. It fires instantaneously. I believe Freeza's beam, while superior, still required a brief charge time. With Freeza improving Kuririn's Kienzan with homing capabilities, I'd hate to see what he'd do around other unique techniques. Replacing a millisecond with instant would be a problem for everyone. :?
The real difference, given what's shown, is when it makes contact with its target. With the Dodonpa, it basically just exploded on contact, similar to how the Kamehameha will, while Freeza's technique pierces and penetrates through, being closer to the Makankosappo in that regard.

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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by nickzambuto » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:29 am

Darkprince410 wrote:
Nejishiki wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:I always thought that Freeza's death beam was a similar technique.
Indeed, they're quite similar! The main difference, if it actually exists from my older observations, is that Dodonpa doesn't need to be charged. It fires instantaneously. I believe Freeza's beam, while superior, still required a brief charge time. With Freeza improving Kuririn's Kienzan with homing capabilities, I'd hate to see what he'd do around other unique techniques. Replacing a millisecond with instant would be a problem for everyone. :?
The real difference, given what's shown, is when it makes contact with its target. With the Dodonpa, it basically just exploded on contact, similar to how the Kamehameha will, while Freeza's technique pierces and penetrates through, being closer to the Makankosappo in that regard.
Yes, there's a misconception that the Dodonpa is a piercing technique. It inflicted burns and explosive damage, making it quite different from Freeza's death beam.

The idea of the Dodonpa being superior to the Kamehameha is also a common misconception. That was never stated in the series, I think the combination of Krillin's amateur Kamehameha being inferior, as well as the Kikoho being inferior, led to some people mistakenly thinking this.

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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by Nejishiki » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:34 am

Darkprince410 wrote:
Nejishiki wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:I always thought that Freeza's death beam was a similar technique.
Indeed, they're quite similar! The main difference, if it actually exists from my older observations, is that Dodonpa doesn't need to be charged. It fires instantaneously. I believe Freeza's beam, while superior, still required a brief charge time. With Freeza improving Kuririn's Kienzan with homing capabilities, I'd hate to see what he'd do around other unique techniques. Replacing a millisecond with instant would be a problem for everyone. :?
The real difference, given what's shown, is when it makes contact with its target. With the Dodonpa, it basically just exploded on contact, similar to how the Kamehameha will, while Freeza's technique pierces and penetrates through, being closer to the Makankosappo in that regard.
I thought I wasn't remembering that quite right. Before you wrote it, I was already aware of Dodonpa being explosive thanks to Tao Pai Pai. But I didn't put two & two together on my own about piercing & explosives being separate properties for whatever reason.

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Re: Dodon Ray

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:29 am

Nejishiki wrote:
Darkprince410 wrote:
Nejishiki wrote:Indeed, they're quite similar! The main difference, if it actually exists from my older observations, is that Dodonpa doesn't need to be charged. It fires instantaneously. I believe Freeza's beam, while superior, still required a brief charge time. With Freeza improving Kuririn's Kienzan with homing capabilities, I'd hate to see what he'd do around other unique techniques. Replacing a millisecond with instant would be a problem for everyone. :?
The real difference, given what's shown, is when it makes contact with its target. With the Dodonpa, it basically just exploded on contact, similar to how the Kamehameha will, while Freeza's technique pierces and penetrates through, being closer to the Makankosappo in that regard.
I thought I wasn't remembering that quite right. Before you wrote it, I was already aware of Dodonpa being explosive thanks to Tao Pai Pai. But I didn't put two & two together on my own about piercing & explosives being separate properties for whatever reason.
It doesn't matter you are both wrong regardless :P

Neither the Dodonpa nor Freeza and Cell's Death Beam are said or shown to require charging before firing it off, but it can be done to produce a stronger beam.
Also both of them can produce explosions when hitting the target, just see how Freeza killed Dende and earlier his brother Kargo (manga only). I have no doubt Tao Pai Pai's Dodonpa would have pierced Goku's heart, if it hadn't been for the Dragon Ball protecting him, but yeah it's true it has never shown the capability of piercing, so Darkprince is only halfwrong.

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