Is Super having trouble coming up with new villains? Why only 1 villain in 100 episodes?

[precita]

Has anyone noticed this? Zamasu/Goku Black has technically been the only new villain in 100 episodes of Super.

Beerus is not a villain. Freeza is an old villain. Champa and Hit are not villains. Frost is basically a bad guy but not a main or important villain and just treated as a tournament combatant. Then we had Zamasu/Black who are the same character from different timelines. Now with the current arc we have Jiren and everyone else who aren't villains.

Unless we truly have an evil Angel/Grand Priest type thing coming down the road, it seems like Super really has struggled to come up with new villains at all.

[Akyon]

Someone forgot about Barry Khan. Tried to break up a marriage because the wife snubbed his autograph and he Gohan was more popular on set. What an ass.

I guess that dumb Copy Vegeta gel thing could count too?

But Barry Khan!

In all seriousness: Super is using more shades of grey, but Zeno by any other name is a villain murdering millions of lives with a naïve grin on his face as he destroys them.

He's not said to be a villain, but let's be real: his actions are villainous

[Nickolaidas]

Dragon Ball Z was always about Goku and co figuring out how to beat the newest big bad. And figuring out basically meant 'Goku need to train more'.

Super is trying something else, somewhat ... but mostly it's good ol' Z. Beerus, then Golden Frieza, then Zamassu, and now Jiren. But now the big bads are more suited to the plot, not the other way around, as in Z.

[Nickolaidas]

In all seriousness: Super is using more shades of grey, but Zeno by any other name is a villain murdering millions of lives with a naïve grin on his face as he destroys them.

He's not said to be a villain, but let's be real: his actions are villainous

But are you a villain when you cannot perceive the consequences your actions have on others?

[MaskedRider]

You're right though I wouldn't call it necessarily a bad thing. Beerus serves a purpose in helping Goku become aware of and achieve the Super Saiyan God form, Frieza serves a purpose of demonstrating that power further. The tournament was a fun cool down from the 'seriousness' of the last two movies/arcs and explored the possibility of what another universe holds in relation to Whis explaining in BoG about there being twelve universes but also help sets up for the Tournament of Power. The Future Trunks arc is really Super's, what I would call it, "Z" story in that while it holds Super's theme of the relationship between mortals and the divine its nothing more than the good guys fighting the big baddie and all is good (bittersweet) in the end after they are defeated but it DOES introduce Future Zeno for Present Zeno to befriend which is another factor that pushed the Tournament of Power to happen.

I got more reach than Mr. Fantastic but that how I feel

[Akyon]

In all seriousness: Super is using more shades of grey, but Zeno by any other name is a villain murdering millions of lives with a naïve grin on his face as he destroys them.

He's not said to be a villain, but let's be real: his actions are villainous

But are you a villain when you cannot perceive the consequences your actions have on others?

If someone with learning disabilities kills someone, surely the murder is still considered murder a heinous act?

Being ignorant of the effects doesn't change the action from being horrific in my eyes(or the laws I believe, please correct if you know otherwise) but now we're opening up a morality question.

[Nickolaidas]

If someone with learning disabilities kills someone, surely the murder is still considered murder a heinous act?

Being ignorant of the effects doesn't change the action from being horrific in my eyes(or the laws I believe, please correct if you know otherwise) but now we're opening up a morality question.

It's considered murder according to people who *do* know the consequences.

Frieza is unquestionably a villain. He knows his actions are evil, and he revels in it, instead of being appalled by them.

Zen oh being a villain is debatable. When there is so much difference in state of being and power it becomes a grey area.

Is a human a villain if he steps on a cockroach he found running around his room? Or if he squashes a fly because its buzzing annoyed him?

A person is perceived a villain because of how his equals interpret his actions. A human being who squashes ants left and right is not perceived to be a bad person, but rather eccentric or weird, because an ant is grossly inferior in state of being or power. It doesn't share our emotions, activities and lifestyle, it is not considered human-like in the slightest.
Now, a human killing dogs on the other hand is considered a villainous person, because a dog is much closer to a human being in terms of emotions, activities and lifestyle. Therefore, killing dogs is closer to killing humans. There are even laws which will punish the human for killing dogs indiscrimingly.

Zen oh is an immortal being which creates and destroys life in an instant. It can create and destroy universes in the blink of an eye. To Zen oh, an immortal being, a human life is the equivalent of a nanosecond - my take is that the creature simply *cannot* perceive human life as we do, just like we cannot perceive how an ant can be content by toiling for its hive without even really being aware of its own existence.

Zen oh's attitude seems completely devoid of being aware of how important the mortal lives are to them. Ergo, the creature seems unable to realize what it's doing to them - ergo, it cannot be easily labeled as a villain.

The grand angel, on the other hand, is another story.

[TobyS]

I actually love there haven't just been a chain of shitty GT/AF looking motherfuckers for Goku to invent a new form (I'm dreading the new one) and knock out while everyone else jerks him off.

I enjoyed Black and Zam, it's nice not to have too many.

[Kanassa]

Beerus is not a villain.

Yes, he is. He comes down to Earth and is fully intending to destroy it after the puddin incident until Goku sates his desire for a fight

[Ki Breaker]

If you ask me villans are overrated..
Now then, they just set up all the universes ( expect few ) and we get to see every fighter that can remotely matter to the story in one place, because to matter you need to know how to strength 101..
This arc, if dosen't have a villan later on, could and should be the starting point of at least one villan for future stories..
It's a great set up and a good way to give the bad guy some motivation..

[Baggie_Saiyan]

What?
Beerus was the villain of the BoG arc, it's plain as day. Unconventional yes but still a villain.
Freeza being old doesn't negate the fact he is a villain. That is just silly.

[GodKaio-Ken]

What?
Beerus was the villain of the BoG arc, it's plain as day. Unconventional yes but still a villain.
Freeza being old doesn't negate the fact he is a villain. That is just silly.

Hes saying they havent had a new character with villainous intent. Which aside from Zamasu/Black is true. Come on guys hes just commenting on the fact that we havent really seen many new "bad guys" in the heart of Z.

Beerus just wanted a good fight, Frieza was a reuse, Hit wanted the cube, Zamasu/Black are villains and Jiren just wants to not be erased.

I'm not saying it makes the show any worse...I enjoy it but IMO its a valid point

[sintzu]

I think they're taking their time instead to not only come up with new ones but to also try different things.

In 100 episodes Z had 2 main villains while in Super's 100 episodes we got 1 main villain, 2 tournaments, Beerus who's neutral & a resurrected old villain.

[Lionel]

The setup of Super and its progressive exploration of the upper echelon of the universes seems to be the focus instead of quelling single threats. Contrary to the original DBZ, Super has spent a lot more time building upon the lore and mythology of the universe. Profound enemies won't come naturally unless a malevolent deity or some ningen of notoriety appears from another universe as we have just about exhausted Universe 7's supply of conceptual threats. The only avenue they've yet to try exclusively from the home region is Makai.

[Chuquita]

I miss having villains, and I think we haven't had any because everyone's just so strong. How do you top Zamasu, who couldn't be defeated by anyone else than the Omni King? You'd need a reality warper.

[Shinda Forever]

Yes, unfortunately, DB super is very limited.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I miss having villains, and I think we haven't had any because everyone's just so strong. How do you top Zamasu, who couldn't be defeated by anyone else than the Omni King? You'd need a reality warper.

Even though they ended up fodder, I think the Pride Trooper route is the way to go. Someone who is a very high level fighter but has a unique ability to overcome.

[Chuquita]

I miss having villains, and I think we haven't had any because everyone's just so strong. How do you top Zamasu, who couldn't be defeated by anyone else than the Omni King? You'd need a reality warper.

Even though they ended up fodder, I think the Pride Trooper route is the way to go. Someone who is a very high level fighter but has a unique ability to overcome.

I agree with this. I hope the antagonists of the next arc are fun. They can't do two tournaments in a row.

[Ki Breaker]

I agree with this. I hope the antagonists of the next arc are fun. They can't do two tournaments in a row.

So there will be at least one more arc before eoz can theoretically happen

[Hellspawn28]

It does not bother me because it is nice to do something different. We don't always need a "Villain stronger than the last villain trying to destroy the Earth" plot over and over again.