So has anyone recently questioned the Super Saiyan God Ritual?

[DiscountDabi]

So I was thinking about Battle of Gods and it just now occurred to me that the Saiyan race just happens to have the ability to summon and grant divine energy into another Saiyan. Granted on a Godly Scale it wasn’t that much God Ki, but the ability to summon and grant God Ki at the moment is exclusive to the Saiyans in terms of Mortals

[Yuji]

It makes me think that perhaps a deity helped the Saiyans achieve the form, and that's why they are able to summon the Ki of a deity when they transform into their God and Blue forms.

Incidentally, isn't DB Legends covering the ancient Saiyans in its story-mode? I haven't played much of the game myself, but I wouldn't be surprised if they cover the original Super Saiyan God and the Sadla civil war. Cumber in Heroes is another ancient Saiyan who seems to have ties to the original God user.

[DiscountDabi]

It makes me think that perhaps a deity helped the Saiyans achieve the form, and that's why they are able to summon the Ki of a deity when they transform into their God and Blue forms.

Incidentally, isn't DB Legends covering the ancient Saiyans in its story-mode? I haven't played much of the game myself, but I wouldn't be surprised if they cover the original Super Saiyan God and the Sadla civil war. Cumber in Heroes is another ancient Saiyan who seems to have ties to the original God user.

Yes, Legends is covering the story of the super Saiyan god and ancient saiyans. I won’t spoil much of it because in my opinion its the best story mode of any Dragon Ball Game I’ve ever played and I highly recommend itbut simply put Shallot is the descendent of the super saiyan god.

[Koitsukai]

To be fair, before Kattas' son, Earth's Kami might've been an earthling. Most likely it was, unless there was a god dinosaur or something.
And I would assume that, just like Dende has god ki (how did he get it, though?), the former Kami also had god ki. Probably not needing the help of 5 other earthlings to get it.

So, yes, saiyans can summon that power but Earth already has a place where apparently is much easier to get it, although in lesser quantities because it's nowhere near SSG's.

[Yuji]

To be fair, before Kattas' son, Earth's Kami might've been an earthling. Most likely it was, unless there was a god dinosaur or something.
And I would assume that, just like Dende has god ki (how did he get it, though?), the former Kami also had god ki. Probably not needing the help of 5 other earthlings to get it.

So, yes, saiyans can summon that power but Earth already has a place where apparently is much easier to get it, although in lesser quantities because it's nowhere near SSG's.

Earth's deities have a connection to the Otherworld, as well as the Kaio and the Kaioshin. Presumably Earth isn't alone in having local deities, but the Super Saiyan God was just some random individual, much like Goku and Vegeta.

[DiscountDabi]

To be fair, before Kattas' son, Earth's Kami might've been an earthling. Most likely it was, unless there was a god dinosaur or something.
And I would assume that, just like Dende has god ki (how did he get it, though?), the former Kami also had god ki. Probably not needing the help of 5 other earthlings to get it.

So, yes, saiyans can summon that power but Earth already has a place where apparently is much easier to get it, although in lesser quantities because it's nowhere near SSG's.

Earth's deities have a connection to the Otherworld, as well as the Kaio and the Kaioshin. Presumably Earth isn't alone in having local deities, but the Super Saiyan God was just some random individual, much like Goku and Vegeta.

Well, there is a bit of a weird thing about King Yema and Otherworld. Frieza mentioned that he was trapped in Earths Hell Specfically. And When King Yema allowed Goku to go talk to Frieza, he said “Kill him on some other world so he won’t be my problem anymore.”

Now, this means one of two things. Yema’s Check in Station only covers Earth, or Hell is restricted to each planet as implied by Frieza Calling Hell “Earths” Hell.

[nickzambuto]

It was already explained in interviews that Yamoshi's spirit went into Goku and helped him achieve the god form. Saiyans can do this because of Yamoshi.

[theherodjl]

Now, this means one of two things. Yema’s Check in Station only covers Earth, or Hell is restricted to each planet as implied by Frieza Calling Hell “Earths” Hell.

Kami did state to Goku that upon dying, aliens from other worlds also go to Enma so it is probably the latter. The afterlife section of U7 visually appears to be as large as the realm of the living(planets, solar systems, galaxies and all) so any number of worlds could exist on the other side that are physical manifestations of a specific world's Heaven & Hell.

[ZeroNeonix]

Well, there is a bit of a weird thing about King Yema and Otherworld. Frieza mentioned that he was trapped in Earths Hell Specfically. And When King Yema allowed Goku to go talk to Frieza, he said “Kill him on some other world so he won’t be my problem anymore.”

Now, this means one of two things. Yema’s Check in Station only covers Earth, or Hell is restricted to each planet as implied by Frieza Calling Hell “Earths” Hell.

The filler episodes of Z make things confusing, but we have no reason to doubt Frieza's words, and Yema basically confirmed what he said was true. Each planet has its own Heaven and Hell. Hell also appears to be a personal realm, as Frieza has his own personal Hell, where he's made to endure what he finds to be the most agonizing thing: Cute little creatures in a band. Usually, souls sent to Hell would be cleansed and then reincarnated, but the reason Frieza was such a pain to Yema was that he refused to be cleansed. Consider that Kid Buu was killed by Goku, and almost immediately was reincarnated. A being of pure chaos took barely any time at all to be cleansed, while Frieza stubbornly endured for several years. Now, Yema likely cut a few corners for Goku's sake, in the case of Buu, and I don't know exactly what it takes for a soul to be cleansed, but Frieza has clearly been a thorn in Yema's side and he just doesn't want to deal with him any more.

[precita]

I assumed Yemma takes care of anyone who dies in King Kai's segment of the universe. Like if someone died where East Kai, South Kai or West Kai watched over, whoever the person is over there would send people to either heaven or hell.

But yeah, the filler hell scenes back in DBZ really made this confusing, so it's easy to see why nobody can figure out how this all works. There was also never any mention of "Earth's Hell" in the original manga or anywhere prior to Movie 15, so this seems like a new concept. I had assumed there was only 1 Hell for all of Universe 7.

[DiscountDabi]

This would be clear cut and easy to just say King Yemma judges souls for the whole universe if it wasn’t for this





Why would killing Frieza off of the earth make him not be Yema’s problem if he judges the souls of the whole universe. This would imply he only covers earth.

[TobyS]

This would be clear cut and easy to just say King Yemma judges souls for the whole universe if it wasn’t for this





Why would killing Frieza off of the earth make him not be Yema’s problem if he judges the souls of the whole universe. This would imply he only covers earth.

Also anime filler.
We just see Goku leave and return with Freeza and 'granny'

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

With the circumstances of Yamoshi's death (6 pure-hearted Saiyans where 1 of them became a Super Saiyan before they all died) and his wandering spirit looking for 6 more righteous Saiyans, it seems like there's a weird interaction between the living and the dead going on when the SSG ritual is performed.

Given the importance of the gods in the cosmology of the DB multiverse, it could be that this connection between a living and dead Saiyan results in some strange influx of godly energies that are otherwise confined to the afterlife dimensions.

[TobyS]

To be fair, before Kattas' son, Earth's Kami might've been an earthling. Most likely it was, unless there was a god dinosaur or something.
And I would assume that, just like Dende has god ki (how did he get it, though?), the former Kami also had god ki. Probably not needing the help of 5 other earthlings to get it.

So, yes, saiyans can summon that power but Earth already has a place where apparently is much easier to get it, although in lesser quantities because it's nowhere near SSG's.

Earth's deities have a connection to the Otherworld, as well as the Kaio and the Kaioshin. Presumably Earth isn't alone in having local deities, but the Super Saiyan God was just some random individual, much like Goku and Vegeta.

Well, there is a bit of a weird thing about King Yema and Otherworld. Frieza mentioned that he was trapped in Earths Hell Specfically. And When King Yema allowed Goku to go talk to Frieza, he said “Kill him on some other world so he won’t be my problem anymore.”

Now, this means one of two things. Yema’s Check in Station only covers Earth, or Hell is restricted to each planet as implied by Frieza Calling Hell “Earths” Hell.

This is an anime only mistake no?