The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

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The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

Post by Sensiblesaiyans » Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:55 am

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The creator didn't have much imagination and cut the series rather short when there was tons of room to have Yamcha grow.

Going on Namek and training with nails was a good start but I feel he really undersold just how much gains Yamcha would have gotten from training with someone with a PL of 40k and having his PL unlocked.

Training in the gravity room would have been the next best place to keep up relevancy. Basically, Yamcha could have trained alongside Goku when he was heading to Namek and likely obtain a similar power level to him. This would have allowed him to help out in some capacity on Namek.

From frieza arc to cell saga, his gains would have stagnated a bit but could have still obtain relevancy by basically keeping up with gravity training and possibly learning kai-o-ken technique from Goku. During the 7 year gap between cell saga to the android saga he could have transformed himself into an android and basically reach SSJ3+ tier to come back into series as possible deterrent to Majin Buu.

From end of Buu arc to start of daimo, Yamcha-reborn could have then had decent good fights handling many of the threats that Son Goku and Vegeta faced in series. By Battle-of-Gods, Yamcha reborn would have been at least SSG+ tier to put a decent fight against Beerus. Yamcha could have then taken the opportunity to train with Whis at Beerus palace. By U6 vs U7 match, he would have been a decent candidate in place of piccolo to represent their universe and likely be a much stronger candidate than Golden Frieza for ToP

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Re: The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:57 am

The series was not meant to be a long-running series. In fact, LEE had difficulty sticking to the serialization schedule and there were delays with the series. This was never going to be a title that went on for a long time.
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Re: The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

Post by Benjamin-Simons-91 » Sun Mar 09, 2025 11:16 am

Never liked the suggestion that the Human Z-Fighters should convert themselves into Cyborgs in order to be relevant. Why on Earth would someone make himself into partially mechanical? In other shonen, Humans as are have no limitations to how strong they can get; it can be the same in Dragon Ball.

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Re: The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

Post by AliTheZombie13 » Sun Mar 09, 2025 11:58 am

Benjamin-Simons-91 wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 11:16 am Never liked the suggestion that the Human Z-Fighters should convert themselves into Cyborgs in order to be relevant. Why on Earth would someone make himself into partially mechanical? In other shonen, Humans as are have no limitations to how strong they can get; it can be the same in Dragon Ball.
Which shonen are you reading, exactly?
Because every single one I read eventually has this "The protagonist is actually of an ancient secret demon race" twist or something similar.

On the topic:
My problem with a lot of these "What If" stories, even the ones produced officially, is that they have zero divergence from the original timeline. Somehow, someway, the protagonists' decisions don't matter, it all ends exactly the same as EoZ. If Goku never died against Raditz, for example, Vegeta and Nappa would never come to Earth, they would never meet Freeza, the Cyborgs and Cell would be entirely different, so would be the Boo Saga, Bulma and Yamcha would possibly still be together and have a child, etc.

It's all very "Choose Your Own Adventure, But Not Really."
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Re: The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

Post by sangofe » Sun Mar 09, 2025 12:03 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:57 am The series was not meant to be a long-running series. In fact, LEE had difficulty sticking to the serialization schedule and there were delays with the series. This was never going to be a title that went on for a long time.
Really? Not that I doubt you, but is there proof of it?

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Post by VegettoEX » Sun Mar 09, 2025 2:51 pm

sangofe wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 12:03 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:57 am The series was not meant to be a long-running series. In fact, LEE had difficulty sticking to the serialization schedule and there were delays with the series. This was never going to be a title that went on for a long time.
Really? Not that I doubt you, but is there proof of it?
We covered its production as it was coming out. Specific link of note:

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Re: The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

Post by TobyS » Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:16 am

VegettoEX wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 2:51 pm
sangofe wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 12:03 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:57 am The series was not meant to be a long-running series. In fact, LEE had difficulty sticking to the serialization schedule and there were delays with the series. This was never going to be a title that went on for a long time.
Really? Not that I doubt you, but is there proof of it?
We covered its production as it was coming out. Specific link of note:

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/2017/03/22/a ... a-chapter/
This is what bugs me when people shit on toyo.

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And it's like “do you have any proof these guys can do a monthly book with editorial meddling during? Like compare apples to apples christ.
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Re: The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

Post by AliTheZombie13 » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:10 pm

I mean, artists shouldn't have to be subjected to crunching and terrible working conditions to begin with, unless you want their art to look like rushed garbage and the person who's making them to have an early grave.
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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:49 pm

Yeah, mangaka live notoriously unhealthy lifestyles. The ones who should be making concessions are the corporations, like Shueisha. If they want more manga, they need to pay their staff better and give them more time.
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Re: The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

Post by bahhma » Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:27 pm

TobyS wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:16 am People see one backgroundless fenyo picture of 18 or videl in a swimming costume and be like “this guy should draw db”
I'm people.

In all seriousness, does Fenyo work on Dragon Ball in any official capacity? Like promotional art, etc?
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Re: The Guy who did Yamcha: Reborn really undersold how important Fan Knowledge was

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:11 pm

bahhma wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:27 pm
TobyS wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:16 am People see one backgroundless fenyo picture of 18 or videl in a swimming costume and be like “this guy should draw db”
I'm people.
I, too, am people.
bahhma wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:27 pmIn all seriousness, does Fenyo work on Dragon Ball in any official capacity? Like promotional art, etc?
I believe that Fenyo draws promo art or at least art for Dokkan Battle?
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