A question about Cell

Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
User avatar
Horgus
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 239
Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:06 am

A question about Cell

Post by Horgus » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:33 am

So I was re-watching parts of the series with the subtitles on the other day, something I enjoy doing because the dub is awful about leaving out small, interesting tidbits that may not necessarily be related to the plot, but are fun to know.. when I came across the following:

Piccolo: 'You can't escape by using the sort of Kamehame-Ha you did before!'

Kuririn: 'Kamehame-Ha?! How can this guy use Goku's Kamehame-Ha!?'

Cell: 'Not just the Kamehame-Ha, Kuririn! If I wanted to, I could probably form a Genki-Dama!'


Which got me to wondering, because not only did I not know he said that, but I also wondered that if he said that, could he potentially use the Kaioken also?

User avatar
Maker777
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 443
Joined: Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:54 am
Location: Tasmania

Post by Maker777 » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:35 am

Well I'm sure if he needed to use it he would. I don't think the occasion had arisen where he had to use it. If that makes sense..
[b]Mr.Pedestrian[/b]
[url=http://www.users.on.net/~mateen/][b]Shnay Krew[/b][/url]
[url=http://mrpedestrian.deviantart.com/][b]DeviArt[/b][/url] || [url=http://www.myspace.com/_1_a][b]MySpace[/b][/url]

User avatar
Conan the SSJ
I Live Here
Posts: 2814
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:40 am
Location: Ohio

Re: A question about Cell

Post by Conan the SSJ » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:43 am

Horgus wrote:So I was re-watching parts of the series with the subtitles on the other day, something I enjoy doing because the dub is awful about leaving out small, interesting tidbits that may not necessarily be related to the plot, but are fun to know.. when I came across the following:

Piccolo: 'You can't escape by using the sort of Kamehame-Ha you did before!'

Kuririn: 'Kamehame-Ha?! How can this guy use Goku's Kamehame-Ha!?'

Cell: 'Not just the Kamehame-Ha, Kuririn! If I wanted to, I could probably form a Genki-Dama!'
You seem to have implied that Cell doesn't reference this in the dub. He does there as well. Cell really has no reason to bluff about using it, though why he bothers bringing it up at all confuses me since even 50% Freeza was able to survive a 50 meter sized version. It was nice though to have a mention of it, since aside from the movies, the Genki-dama never pops up again till the battle with Kid Buu.
Maker777 wrote:Well I'm sure if he needed to use it he would. I don't think the occasion had arisen where he had to use it. If that makes sense..
Well, it could've killed one of the human Z senshi. >>
14 years later

User avatar
Horgus
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 239
Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:06 am

Re: A question about Cell

Post by Horgus » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:49 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Horgus wrote:So I was re-watching parts of the series with the subtitles on the other day, something I enjoy doing because the dub is awful about leaving out small, interesting tidbits that may not necessarily be related to the plot, but are fun to know.. when I came across the following:

Piccolo: 'You can't escape by using the sort of Kamehame-Ha you did before!'

Kuririn: 'Kamehame-Ha?! How can this guy use Goku's Kamehame-Ha!?'

Cell: 'Not just the Kamehame-Ha, Kuririn! If I wanted to, I could probably form a Genki-Dama!'
You seem to have implied that Cell doesn't reference this in the dub. He does there as well. Cell really has no reason to bluff about using it, though why he bothers bringing it up at all confuses me since even 50% Freeza was able to survive a 50 meter sized version. It was nice though to have a mention of it, since aside from the movies, the Genki-dama never pops up again till the battle with Kid Buu.
It's been many years since I've seriously watched the Funi Dub (which was what I was referencing above)

I don't remember it being mentioned but it may have been and I just overlooked it in between the numerous references to the Androids being toasters and other consumer electronics.

User avatar
Humpski
Regular
Posts: 664
Joined: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:36 pm
Location: Saint John, NB, Canada

Re: A question about Cell

Post by Humpski » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:20 am

Horgus wrote:So I was re-watching parts of the series with the subtitles on the other day, something I enjoy doing because the dub is awful about leaving out small, interesting tidbits that may not necessarily be related to the plot, but are fun to know.. when I came across the following:

Piccolo: 'You can't escape by using the sort of Kamehame-Ha you did before!'

Kuririn: 'Kamehame-Ha?! How can this guy use Goku's Kamehame-Ha!?'

Cell: 'Not just the Kamehame-Ha, Kuririn! If I wanted to, I could probably form a Genki-Dama!'


Which got me to wondering, because not only did I not know he said that, but I also wondered that if he said that, could he potentially use the Kaioken also?
In Dragonball Z BT3, Perfect Cell's Ultimate Blast is actually the Genki-Dama.
"Okay planet, give me your stupid energy!"
Check out our home made films!
Lots of martial arts action and comedy.
http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=HumpskiProductions

User avatar
Xyex
I Live Here
Posts: 4978
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:15 am
Location: The 7th moon of nowhere, right-side of forever
Contact:

Re: A question about Cell

Post by Xyex » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:09 am

Humpski wrote:In Dragonball Z BT3, Perfect Cell's Ultimate Blast is actually the Genki-Dama.
"Okay planet, give me your stupid energy!"
Perfect Cell's ultimate has been a Spirit Bomb since Budokai 1.
Avys ~ DA account ~ Fanfiction ~ Chat Quotes
<Kaboom> I'm just glad that he now sounds more like Invader Zim than Rita Repulsa
<Xyex> Original Freeza never sounded like a chick to me.
<Kaboom> Neither does Rita
<Xyex> Good point.

User avatar
Drunken Master
Regular
Posts: 533
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:49 am

Post by Drunken Master » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:15 pm

I don't think Cell could have used the genki-dama. There's all that harmony with nature and crap you have to be to do it. Cell just spits out lies to scare people, or trick them. He knows the genki-dama, he can blow up the solar system with all the energy in his final kamehameha, USSj Trunks is stronger than him. Blah, blah.
AKA [b]Pope Blitzkrieg XVI[/b], [b]Mr. Shades-Internet McCool[/b]

User avatar
Duo
I Live Here
Posts: 3221
Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:14 pm
Location: West Michigan
Contact:

Post by Duo » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:55 pm

Isn't Movie 7 the only source that really says you -have- to have a good heart for form a Genki-dama? I don't recall anything in the Manga or series itself, really, that says an evil person couldn't learn the technique.

Also, Trunks -was- stronger than Cell the way he was, it's just that Cell hadn't shown he could make himself many, many times stronger.

User avatar
Ex-Dubbie369
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 898
Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:14 am
Location: Anaheim, CA

Post by Ex-Dubbie369 » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:59 pm

Duo wrote:Isn't Movie 7 the only source that really says you -have- to have a good heart for form a Genki-dama? I don't recall anything in the Manga or series itself, really, that says an evil person couldn't learn the technique.
I think it may have been another "pure" heart statement, which could then be twisted by the "pure evil" statement.

User avatar
Duo
I Live Here
Posts: 3221
Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:14 pm
Location: West Michigan
Contact:

Post by Duo » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:00 pm

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:
Duo wrote:Isn't Movie 7 the only source that really says you -have- to have a good heart for form a Genki-dama? I don't recall anything in the Manga or series itself, really, that says an evil person couldn't learn the technique.
I think it may have been another "pure" heart statement, which could then be twisted by the "pure evil" statement.
Or, in Cell's case, "pure ownage".

Post Reply