Freeza was 12,000,000

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:26 pm

I heard rumor that Freeza was 120,000,000 but thats not true. Look!!

http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dbz/powe ... s(new).htm

See!

Also, look at this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZhBEU-Q ... re=related

Post by **Herms** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:38 pm

Daizenshuu 7 lists Freeza's 100% power as 120 million. The figure of 12 million originates as a mistranslation on Greg Werner's site way back in the olden days, which was picked up by Planet Namek.com and spread throughout the entire interweb, where it remains to this day. So anyone who gives Freeza as 12 million, like that website or YouTube video, is just citing a mistranslation.

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:40 pm

Who was Greg Werner? And why does Sagas have Freeza at 12,000,000.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:42 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j9eSk1I ... re=related

Haha, he has some other stuff here... the last point he makes about Freeza and Goku's power was interesting. Vegeta and Dodoria were 20% apart in power, same as Goku and Freeza supposedly, yet Vegeta killed Dodoria instantly.

EDIT: I thought people here agreed that the 120,000,000 while in the Daizenshuu, couldn't be right? Or was it the other way around? It seems... high.

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:44 pm

Why does sagas have him at 12,000,000 then? And if that videos so correct, why does it only have three stars?

And I saw another Daizenshuu on youtube that has Freeza at 12,000,000. This guy who worked for Toriyama showed it to me.

Here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzl9XZxg6Y

And this is the guy who worked for Toriyama
http://www.youtube.com/user/CastleofAnime45

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:18 pm

KingBroly wrote:Why does sagas have him at 12,000,000 then?

Guess they googled the thing and didn't bother to check their facts.

This guy who worked for Toriyama

The guy in question wrote:I worked for Akira Toriyama-sensei for 3 years from 1995 - 1998 as an Artist for Manga. On what they called in Japan, a "Re- Up".

Sure. A "Re-Up." Of course.

The guy in question wrote:You can ask me any questions regarding Dragonball, and there is not one thing I can't cover.

Naturally: you worked for Akira Toriyama-sensei. As a "Re-Up."

The guy in question wrote:Graduated Master from Sapporo Municipal College of Arts, I messed up on my old blog and mispelled it lol.

lol

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:25 pm

Look at the book. The video says that guys name is in it.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:27 pm

I heard rumor that Freeza was 120,000,000 but thats not true. Look!!

http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dbz/powe ... s(new).htm

Those are old and haven't been updated in ages. The person who made them (Duo) hates them with a passion and does not agree with them.

Who was Greg Werner? And why does Sagas have Freeza at 12,000,000.

He was the authority on Dragonball back 'in the day' and the person who first translated the Daizenshuu powerlevels for his website. But he mistranslated the Kanji and was off by a 0. No one bothered to fact check and just swiped his translations thus spreading the 12 million and 15 million numbers.

EDIT: I thought people here agreed that the 120,000,000 while in the Daizenshuu, couldn't be right? Or was it the other way around? It seems... high.

No, the majority agrees that they have to be higher than the mistranslated numbers. There's contention over the specifics, of course, but that's about it. Far as I know only Rocketman and Onikage are completely against the bigger numbers (I think it was Onikage....)

Haha, he has some other stuff here... the last point he makes about Freeza and Goku's power was interesting. Vegeta and Dodoria were 20% apart in power, same as Goku and Freeza supposedly, yet Vegeta killed Dodoria instantly.

Yeah. 3/30 millioin is too big of a gap, period. The guys who came up with those numbers didn't put enough consideration into them. They just went "Oh, Goku and Freeza were even and we've got Freeza at 3 million so Goku has to be that too" without considering the end result of that, or even the mid level "BOTH of them at 6/60 million doesn't work because it leaves no room for the KKx20 Kamehameha).

And I saw another Daizenshuu on youtube that has Freeza at 12,000,000. This guy who worked for Toriyama showed it to me.

Here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzl9XZxg6Y

And this is the guy who worked for Toriyama
http://www.youtube.com/user/CastleofAnime45

Sure. And I am Toriyama.

Why does sagas have him at 12,000,000 then? And if that videos so correct, why does it only have three stars?

Because that was the most commonly found number on all English based sites. They likely just ripped it from the net as opposed to translating it themselves.

And really, Sagas isn't exactly a stellar piece of work.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:31 pm

KingBroly wrote:Look at the book. The video says that guys name is in it.

Don't be so gullible.

Biggu kanzen na korekusho!

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:38 pm

Who even care about power levels anymore. I mean it easier to just think of the Fights in DB like this.

Vegeta was about even with Form one Freeza.
Freeza in his second form was stronger than all Z fighters.
Piccolo fused with Nail was about equal with Freeza Form Two
Freeza Form Three was stronger than all Z fighters
Vegeta after near death recovery was stronger than Piccolo.
Freeza Form Four was stronger than all Z fighters
Goku SSJ was stronger than Freeza form four
Freeza 100% was near SSJ Goku in Power

See simple with no numbers just logic, but I am sure people will hate the way I look at it.

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:16 pm

What about the book though. look at it.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:34 pm

KingBroly wrote:What about the book though. look at it.

I did. And I laughed. A lot.

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:37 pm

Why? what was wrong?

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:45 pm

It's a fake, this guy who claims to work for Toriyama is total fraud. The whole "I worked for Toriyama" is just a cover to get everyone to believe in the crap he's created.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:46 pm

Don't believe everything you read on the net. Many, and I mean, Many people are just flat out liars on the internet, people that may just be normal folks make up fake lives and trick people all the time on the net as a pass time.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:47 pm

Many times people make up information to help support their side of the argument whether it is factual or not. We know this isn't factual because it contradicts many other official sources of information such as interviews, the manga the Daizenshuu and even the anime.

KingBroly · Post by **KingBroly** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:52 pm

Really? Why doesnt someone do something about it?

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:53 pm

Not much we can do aside from educate people of the proper facts. Everyone decides on their own what to believe in the end.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:55 pm

I have often wondered a similar question, like, why doesn't the government do something to regulate viruses on the internet, I mean seriously, I got one so bad that I had to reinstall windows. Shouldn't someone be in trouble for this, I was just looking up the lyrics to a song.
Stupid Internet.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:07 pm

I had kinda hoped by 2008 we wouldn't be setting so much store by Power Levels, but interesting how a mistranslation never dies.

omegacwa wrote:I have often wondered a similar question, like, why doesn't the government do something to regulate viruses on the internet, I mean seriously, I got one so bad that I had to reinstall windows. Shouldn't someone be in trouble for this, I was just looking up the lyrics to a song.
Stupid Internet.

Giving anyone control over the internet would be a very, very bad thing.