So.. how strong IS Videl?

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:57 am

I know, I know, its been brought up so much, but it always confuses me.
Do you need to be at a certain level to fly? Goku couldn't fly until way into the series, yet Videl just.. learns straight away?
Was this because Goku never tried to fly, while Videl was putting her all into it? We don't seem to ever get any indication of how strong she really is.
I don't expect her to be anywhere near as strong as say.. Piccolo Daimao, but she can sure as hell hold her own in movie 12..
Its just one of those things thats always bugged me.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:11 am

Videl is just slightly above 'regular human'. Nam could probably defeat her, and the 'probably' only comes from her being able to fly.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:33 am

Hey, Nam could Jump pretty damn high.

Anyway, the power-levels and what not make no sense at all during the Buu arc. Videl is most likely only slightly stronger than Average Martial Artist. I mean Sopovich destroyed her and his power was probably around 100 or so.

But yeah, the whole PL thing making no sense thing. Goten and Trunks being Super Saiya-jin, um, no. Some people claim that they could defeat Freeza. FUCK NO. Gotenks, Sure, of course, but Not Trunks or Goten individually. If they could then Trunks was born with a power level over 1 million, UNLIKELY.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:44 pm

Movie 12 is a bad way to judge her though. Because even if she were stronger Daimao she should have been killed by that punch.

If they could then Trunks was born with a power level over 1 million, UNLIKELY.

Why would they have to be born that strong? I'm not saying they could beat Freeza. But why born with over a million pl?

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:00 pm

Well, Goku's Power Level was what, 3 Million when he first went SSJ. I figure a power level around that area is required for SSJ, not that it has ever been officially stated. But Vegeta was just under that, probably in the 1 million 500 thousand range during the Freeza fight, and it only required a bit more training to push him to the point. Also Gohan was probably around that point while training in the RoSaT with Goku.

So, through my deductions, Trunks had to been born with a power level close to the million range, because if he was born with a level around, lets say, 15, there is no way he could have reached the limit to transform in such a short period of time with so little training.

But, we do know that it is easier for Human-Saiya-jin Hybrids to transform earlier, but even so I just can't imagine Trunks being strong enough to defeat Freeza.

Blah blah, here is another discussion, how strong were SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goten at the beginning of the buu arc?

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:21 pm

I think it was stated that Videl was around the same level as Mr. Satan. At that point I'd guess that would make her slightly stronger than a normal person.

And it should also be noted that flying is Ki concentration and anybody can fly provided they can find ways to control that Ki and had enough to continue without getting tired. The reason why Goku never could fly was because nobody, other than Tenshinhan and Chaozu at the time knew anything about it.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:09 pm

omegacwa wrote:Hey, Nam could Jump pretty damn high.

Anyway, the power-levels and what not make no sense at all during the Buu arc. Videl is most likely only slightly stronger than Average Martial Artist. I mean Sopovich destroyed her and his power was probably around 100 or so.

Spopovich was "enhanced" by Babidi's magic though, so that's not really something to go by either.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:24 pm

In DragonBall Forever, someone asks Toriyama how strong Mister Satan is, and he says he doesn't think he's as strong as Bob Sapp. So since Videl is supposed to be stronger than Satan, I'd say she's equal to Sapp, or maybe a little stronger. Makes perfect sense.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:25 pm

I actually consider Videl (and even Hercule) to have two seperate 'levels of strength'. One is her physical and apparent strength and the other is her Ki level, the one more traditionally thought of as the power level. The way I see it is this, you need to know how to use your ki to pull off the high level feats that the Z Fighters can do. If you don't you'll get a very minor augmentation to your natural ability but, even if you have as much ki as 100% Freeza, you still can't do much more than the average person.

Hercule I don't think has much difference between the two and neither is much over the average person. But with Videl I figure her 'physical and apparent' strength is around 6 or 7 while her actual ki reserves are somewhere in the double digits which is what enables her to be able to fly. Though even then I wouldn't go much more than 30 or so.

mrkaizoku · Post by **mrkaizoku** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:28 pm

omegacwa wrote:Hey, Nam could Jump pretty damn high.

Anyway, the power-levels and what not make no sense at all during the Buu arc. Videl is most likely only slightly stronger than Average Martial Artist. I mean Sopovich destroyed her and his power was probably around 100 or so.

To be completely fair Videl was decimating Supopovich. Videl would have beat him easily if he hadn't been under Babidi's control/Majin. Hell, she hit him so hard his head twisted all the way around. She would have killed him had he been a regular guy.

It's hard to pinpoint how strong someone is when they are facing an enemy that doesn't fatigue or feel pain. I think Videl is probably quite a bit stronger than most of you give her credit for.

Horgus · Post by **Horgus** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:50 pm

She really wasn't all that powerful. She hadn't really undergone any serious training. After she started taking damage she quickly lost her ability to fly and got the pulp beaten out of her.

I agree with the Nam > Videl estimation.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:46 pm

rofl@Bob Sapp

Looks strong as hell, but what a shitty fighter, and no ko power. Haha, the Sapp vs Cro Cop fight is priceless, technique>power as Cro Cop one-shots him and breaks his orbital eye bone. Sorry, I love MMA, Pride was awesome. Bob "the crap" Sapp indeed. I just had to put my two-cents in.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:12 pm

Well if she's able to break a neck with one kick, then she's a tough one to me. Think about it. Mr.Satan could probably kick some decent ass on a show like UFC. And Videl is even stronger than him. It's just that when he's compared to the Senshi, he looks more useless than we'd be.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:41 pm

Pain wrote:Well if she's able to break a neck with one kick, then she's a tough one to me. Think about it. Mr.Satan could probably kick some decent ass on a show like UFC. And Videl is even stronger than him. It's just that when he's compared to the Senshi, he looks more useless than we'd be.

Would I be wrong in saying that anyone of us could probably break someones neck with one kick?

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:30 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:
Pain wrote:Well if she's able to break a neck with one kick, then she's a tough one to me. Think about it. Mr.Satan could probably kick some decent ass on a show like UFC. And Videl is even stronger than him. It's just that when he's compared to the Senshi, he looks more useless than we'd be.
Would I be wrong in saying that anyone of us could probably break someones neck with one kick?

While fighting Majin Spopovich? I'd say barely.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:42 pm

Pain wrote:
Kid Trunks wrote:
Pain wrote:Well if she's able to break a neck with one kick, then she's a tough one to me. Think about it. Mr.Satan could probably kick some decent ass on a show like UFC. And Videl is even stronger than him. It's just that when he's compared to the Senshi, he looks more useless than we'd be.
Would I be wrong in saying that anyone of us could probably break someones neck with one kick?
While fighting Majin Spopovich? I'd say barely.

You said "a" neck

But anyway, it seemed like he kind of let her. Though I'm not disputing that shes got some power.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:36 pm

Videl is among the super elite of the human race, but with a PL still significantly lower than 139. Remember that those who pass the prelims of the budokai are Earth's elite fighters. Satan holds the record -by far- for the punch machine score at 139. Although he didn't train for the 25th budokai, he still held a 137 score. Therefore we know Satan to be among the elite, but still weaker than Kamesenin.

(Majin) Spopovitch could fly and use very weak ki based attacks. As of the 22nd budokai, when Chaozu is still muuuuuch weaker than Kamesennin, Chaozu can already fly and use stronger ki attacks than Spopovitch. Therefore I think Chaozu at that era would have been able to defeat him if not for the Majin influence on Spopovitch's ability to endure damage.

So, here's what my thinking is in a nutshell:

PL of 139 = Earth's Super Elite = Kamesennin > Chaozu (22nd Budokai) > Spopovitch > Videl > Satan = Earth's Elite.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:39 pm

But the units for the punching machine aren't the same as the units used in the scouters, so 139 isn't a power level, it's the punching strength as measured by that machine.

My best theory for finding out Videls power level is:

Panputt's power level + a little bit equals Mr. Satan.

*I use Panputt because he was a very famous fighter, like Mr. Satan, so his fighting ability would often be compared to people like Mr. Satan, and since Mr. Satan is commonly called "The World's Strongest Man" we can tell that he is stronger than Panputt. Whereas Nam was very unknown and there for his power level would never be compared to other peoples' like Mr. Satan's, so we can't be sure who's stronger.

Then just say that Videl is a bit stronger than Mr. Satan and you will have a good guess at her power level.

Satan-Sama · Post by **Satan-Sama** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:59 am

Herms wrote:In DragonBall Forever, someone asks Toriyama how strong Mister Satan is, and he says he doesn't think he's as strong as Bob Sapp. So since Videl is supposed to be stronger than Satan, I'd say she's equal to Sapp, or maybe a little stronger. Makes perfect sense.

I'm not so sure even Bob Sapp could break a stack of tiles with a chop.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:04 am

Satan-Sama wrote:
Herms wrote:In DragonBall Forever, someone asks Toriyama how strong Mister Satan is, and he says he doesn't think he's as strong as Bob Sapp. So since Videl is supposed to be stronger than Satan, I'd say she's equal to Sapp, or maybe a little stronger. Makes perfect sense.
I'm not so sure even Bob Sapp could break a stack of tiles with a chop.

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