Episode #0162 (01 February 2009)

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:45 pm

Episode #0162 (download MP3) (rss feed)
85:27; 64 kbps, mono; 39.1 MB

Episode #0162! VegettoEX and Jeff wind up doing a show by themselves to discuss volume 24 in our "Manga Review of Awesomeness". Goku has finally returned to take center stage, and we keep getting hints about some kind of legend. The Freeza arc is full swing now, so is it holding its own or starting to drag on a little bit? Some brief news, February's releases, and your e-mails round out the episode. Referenced sites:

Go ahead and grab it. Big thanks to godofchaos for hosting the rather sweet *one-hundred-sixty-two* episodes, now.

Yes, I just put up #0161 earlier today... but #0162 was actually recorded on-time and without issue, so here it is! OK, "without issue" means "I was able to record it on time and edit with no problems". However, Meri was super sick, and we weren't able to pull in Julian 'cuz we recorded over at Jeff's with different equipment, sooooo... That's right, it's a Mike & Jeff episode! I think for just the two of us, we had a super good analysis, anyway.

w0rd.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:53 pm

Hot damn, that was quick.

While I'm sure we all wish Meri a speedy recovery, we've also learned from WTF EX and LoFidelity that Mike + Jeff - Anybody Else = Fun Times.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:06 pm

Hope Meri gets well soon.

Regarding Goku penis (...I hope to never say or type that again), from what I could gather from the Kotaku article, they added underwear in the Australian version, whereas all other versions have Goku naked. I don't know if it's true, but I don't see why Kotaku would lie about it or just assume things.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:15 pm

Yeah, I hope Meri gets better soon.

During the play-by-play of the chapters the wording "raising his ki in an instant than lowering' made me wonder: is Son using the Kaiô-ken and raising his power to 180,000--it being an invisible Kaiô-ken like against Freeza--or what? Who knows...

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:20 pm

JulieYBM wrote:During the play-by-play of the chapters the wording "raising his ki in an instant than lowering' made me wonder: is Son using the Kaiô-ken and raising his power to 180,000--it being an invisible Kaiô-ken like against Freeza--or what? Who knows...

I think since he made it a point to only use the Kaio-Ken when Ginyu asks him to show off a little (and was about to when Jheece used his diversion blast), it's probably safe to say he hadn't yet used it on Namek until that point in time. After that, all bets are off.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:25 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:During the play-by-play of the chapters the wording "raising his ki in an instant than lowering' made me wonder: is Son using the Kaiô-ken and raising his power to 180,000--it being an invisible Kaiô-ken like against Freeza--or what? Who knows...
I think since he made it a point to only use the Kaio-Ken when Ginyu asks him to show off a little (and was about to when Jheece used his diversion blast), it's probably safe to say he hadn't yet used it on Namek until that point in time. After that, all bets are off.

Ah, yeah you're right. I had initially thought that was the reason for his one hit-kos but then again, a battle of 90,000 would've been for more then enough to take out ReaCoome.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:28 pm

JulieYBM wrote:During the play-by-play of the chapters the wording "raising his ki in an instant than lowering' made me wonder: is Son using the Kaiô-ken and raising his power to 180,000--it being an invisible Kaiô-ken like against Freeza--or what? Who knows...

Well, the whole "invisible Kaio-ken" thing is pretty much an anime-only thing.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:32 pm

Herms wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:During the play-by-play of the chapters the wording "raising his ki in an instant than lowering' made me wonder: is Son using the Kaiô-ken and raising his power to 180,000--it being an invisible Kaiô-ken like against Freeza--or what? Who knows...
Well, the whole "invisible Kaio-ken" thing is pretty much an anime-only thing.

Yeah, that occured to me as I was writing it. But it might've made sense if he was using it in split-second intervals. However, this isn't the case as we've established.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:55 pm

Good episode. My random thoughts:

How does the appearance of Raditz lead directly to Freeza?

On Goku taking out Butta with the same pose as with Nappa: what is with that pose, anyway? Is Goku trying to protect Nappa/Butta from the impact of crashing into the ground?

On whether Eva can have filler: the term filler is used for TV shows not based on manga. In that case it refers to episodes or scenes that aren’t connected to the plot and are just there to pad things out.

Nobody ever says Goku couldn’t be the Super Saiyan because he was raised on Earth; Ginyu and Vegeta say he can’t be the Super Saiyan because he’s not completely ruthless and homicidal. Granted, the reason he’s not is because he was raised on Earth.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:15 am

Herms wrote:How does the appearance of Raditz lead directly to Freeza?

As I tried to describe (but I think ultimately failed to), it seems like the Saiya-jin arc to the Freeza arc are more "connected" with each other than the vast majority of the storyline(s) that has come before it. Sure, there are things like the Piccolo-Daimao arc and then Ma Junior showing up at the 23rd Tenka-ichi Budokai, but I don't see too much of the story opening up on itself like I see with Raditz -> Vegeta & Nappa come -> off to Namek -> Freeza. I see this as Toriyama's first big example of a grander idea, and really getting an opportunity to play it out. I think it also shows how he had grown as a writer, even if he constantly sells himself short.

Herms wrote:On Goku taking out Butta with the same pose as with Nappa: what is with that pose, anyway? Is Goku trying to protect Nappa/Butta from the impact of crashing into the ground?

Yeah, I always took it as Goku primarily catching him from the impact of the ground possibly killing the opponent... though I don't see how his own "catch" makes it any different. Maybe, then, its purpose is to knock out the opponent...? It didn't quite work on Nappa (he was still semi-conscious), but it seemed to work with Butta.

Herms wrote:Nobody ever says Goku couldn’t be the Super Saiyan because he was raised on Earth; Ginyu and Vegeta say he can’t be the Super Saiyan because he’s not completely ruthless and homicidal. Granted, the reason he’s not is because he was raised on Earth.

Oh, I know. I guess my non-committal answers are just to toy with Jeff's thoughts and emotions

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Post by **Herms** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:10 am

VegettoEX wrote:As I tried to describe (but I think ultimately failed to), it seems like the Saiya-jin arc to the Freeza arc are more "connected" with each other than the vast majority of the storyline(s) that has come before it. Sure, there are things like the Piccolo-Daimao arc and then Ma Junior showing up at the 23rd Tenka-ichi Budokai, but I don't see too much of the story opening up on itself like I see with Raditz -> Vegeta & Nappa come -> off to Namek -> Freeza. I see this as Toriyama's first big example of a grander idea, and really getting an opportunity to play it out. I think it also shows how he had grown as a writer, even if he constantly sells himself short.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I guess it's just that there's a lot of indications in the Saiyan arc that Toriyama hadn't thought up Freeza yet (Vegeta and Nappa simply head to Earth without so much as mentioning what Freeza will think, while in the Namek arc this gets treated as a rebellious act; Vegeta calls himself the strongest in the universe in his own mind, etc), so Toriyama could have potentially made the next story arc after the Saiyan stuff go a lot of different ways.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:42 am

You mentioned the recent rumor about LionsGate.

Just to let you know... I made a thread about it here long time ago.

You didn't say anything about Goku being smart and attacking Recoom while preparing his attack, and how it was "the only time somebody is smart enough to attack instead of waiting the other to finish"... because I have something to say about it.

Goku did the same thing when he was fighting Piccolo Daimaoh. While Piccolo was charging his attack, Goku charged and punched him in the guts. Check DB vol. 14 pages 41 and 42

And, oh God... I can't imagine how Jeff will be embarrased with his two big predictions next MROA episode...

And best wishes for Meri's recovery.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:01 am

Oh yeah, can I call dibs on being a guest for the episode where you give your feelings on battle powers, if you ever do one?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:10 am

Herms wrote:Oh yeah, can I call dibs on being a guest for the episode where you give your feelings on battle powers, if you ever do one?

You know, very few people are allowed to invite themselves on the show. Luckily, you're allowed

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I'm wondering when a good time to do it would be. I'm thinking sometime after we finish the Freeza arc (so I can get Jeff through the part of the series where it's so prevalent), so if we just did "DBZ volume 8, and it ends sometime around 12... I guess we're looking at a June timeframe on this one. That's pretty far off, but keep it in mind!

Post by **Herms** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:22 am

VegettoEX wrote:You know, very few people are allowed to invite themselves on the show. Luckily, you're allowed :P.

Muhahahaaha!...I mean, thanks very much.

I'm wondering when a good time to do it would be. I'm thinking sometime after we finish the Freeza arc (so I can get Jeff through the part of the series where it's so prevalent), so if we just did "DBZ volume 8, and it ends sometime around 12... I guess we're looking at a June timeframe on this one. That's pretty far off, but keep it in mind!

That's what I was thinking. Anyway, one of the things I was thinking of talking about was similiar concepts to battle powers in other shonen manga, like Kinnikuman (which may be where Toriyama got the idea in the first place), Yu Yu Hakusho, Shaman King, and One Piece.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:33 pm

I think you guys did this before but will Jeff be shown the Anime adaptation SSj transformation scene for the review of the 27th volume?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:18 pm

JulieYBM wrote:I think you guys did this before but will Jeff be shown the Anime adaptation SSj transformation scene for the review of the 27th volume?

Most likely. I'll try to do some more of the "bigger" scenes with him that way. Quite frankly, I just keep forgetting to do so...

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:46 am

Ah, I love the time of month when Jeff arrives for the Manga Review.

One thing I was a bit sad you didn't cover that much was the deal with Ginyu and his ability to switch bodies. It wasn't until I joined the forum that I even considered the possibility of Ginyu's purple body not being his original one. Though you guys brought that up in a previous episode, so I guess that's fine.

There's also the deal with Ginyu considering Goku to have some kind of "deformity" with him, thus his ability to power up without having to physically change his body. It makes me wonder if a majority of the Dragon World considers such a thing to be a deformity as well. I mean before this volume, we had Zarbon and his transformation as well as a mentioning of Freeza and his.

Ah, silly Jeff and your analogies. I will say that this one with the friend conversation was much better than the one about randomly dropping to surf on a wave from a helicopter

. I completely agree that seeing Vegeta lead Kuririn and Gohan around was very enjoyable. I wasn't even aware of Goku's absence during that time. I mean, it's not like you completely didn't know where he was or what he was doing like when Trunks arrives.

And yep, it's always cool to see the anime reference the chapter title pages outside of stuff like the opening and ending animations. Goku copying Ginyu's pose was great.