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SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:22 pm

Is there some sort of age limit for how many times a Saiyan can regrow his tail?

We saw Goku and Gohan regrew their tails when they were kids, but when they became adults, we never see it again. We know that Kami removed Goku's tail permenitly so it won't grow again, but what about Vegeta? Yajirobe sliced his tail but it didn't grow back again.

Another thing. Do all Saiyens born with the same weakness of losing power when it get squeezed? or it's only for the lower class? Goku, Gohan and Raditz had the weakness, but Vegeta and Nappa didn't have.

And if all of them born with it, how do they train their tails to overcome it?!

Post by **Herms** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:33 pm

Vegeta and Nappa were born with that weakness, they just trained their tails to overcome it, like Goku did. When Piccolo grabbed Nappa's tail and it didn't do anything, Vegeta asked how long they thought he and Nappa would go without training away such weaknesses.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:34 pm

Nappa and Vegeta had trained their tail to remove that weakness.

And there's not likely to be an age limit on the tails, since Gohan never grows his back after he's five.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:45 pm

Vegeta did make the statement to the doctor that his tail would grow back but since the majority of the Saiyans were destroyed when he was 5 years old, he did not have anyone to teach him in the ins and outs of Saiyan biology. Also by the very fact that it did not grow back after his session in the healing tank should have been an indication that there was some sort of limit.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:13 pm

Maybe there's only a set number of times a tail could grow back, and Goku, Gohan and Vegeta just used them all up.

Times Goku loses his tail:
-After destroying Pilaf's Castle
-After fighting Grandpa Gohan
-Training with Kami

Times Gohan lost his tail:
-In the woods with Piccolo
-In the woods again with Piccolo (This is filler I know)
-After fighting Vegeta

Vegeta could have easily lost his tail twice before and it just didn't grow back after the third time.

falconsedge · Post by **falconsedge** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:01 pm

Who knows? Maybe he lost it in some amazing filler sometime....

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:42 pm

Goku also trained away that tail weakness in Dragon Ball if I remember correctly, after Gohan told him to. You probably just train your tail, build up it's muscles, or just get used to it I suppose.

When Vegeta got out of the tank the doctor guy said, "We're sorry we couldn't regrow your tail" and Vegeta replied, "It'll grow back anyway."

But it didn't. I've always wondered about that myself.

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:17 pm

I've always just ignored Vegeta saying that (intellectually dishonest, I know). It makes it easier for me to just cling to the idea that only Saiyan children can regrow their tails (explaining why Goku was able to regrow his in GT).

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:21 pm

Maybe Kami enchanted Yajirobe's sword while he was at the palace so that it would permanently remove Vegeta's tail, like he permanently removed Goku's.

Random made up excuse!!1

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:04 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Vegeta did make the statement to the doctor that his tail would grow back but since the majority of the Saiyans were destroyed when he was 5 years old, he did not have anyone to teach him in the ins and outs of Saiyan biology. Also by the very fact that it did not grow back after his session in the healing tank should have been an indication that there was some sort of limit.

Got to say because of that, wasn't mad that the redub had him say it was no matter.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:57 pm

I always thought Vegeta should have been shown to be way more upset about losing his tail, he acts like it doesn't even matter and it never even comes up again..and this is right after he says Goku would have been a laughing stock for not having one.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:20 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:...and this is right after he says Goku would have been a laughing stock for not having one.

When does he say that?

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:22 pm

Herms wrote:
Kroni_Hunter wrote:...and this is right after he says Goku would have been a laughing stock for not having one.
When does he say that?

I remember Vegeta said that tails were 'the pride of a Saiyan' or something like that.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:16 pm

I think tail regrowing IS the training method. In other words, each time a tail grows back, it grows back a bit less sensitive to pain. It may also have a bit to do with being able to regain control of the Oozaru form.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:08 pm

Dayspring wrote:I think tail regrowing IS the training method. In other words, each time a tail grows back, it grows back a bit less sensitive to pain. It may also have a bit to do with being able to regain control of the Oozaru form.

I disagree. In his fight with Kuririn at the...what was it, 22nd tournament? Kuririn tried grabbing Goku's tail and Goku pretended it weakened him, then just got up and beat Kuririn up with the tail.

"I've been spending the last 3 years training my tail too!" he told Kuririn. "Have you ever tried to train a tail? It's hard!"

Considering he threw Kuririn using only his tail, I assume by 'training' he literally means to strengthen it, like any muscle.

Kroni_Hunter wrote:I always thought Vegeta should have been shown to be way more upset about losing his tail, he acts like it doesn't even matter and it never even comes up again..and this is right after he says Goku would have been a laughing stock for not having one.

He acts like it doesn't matter because what he says in the Japanese version is, "It'll grow back by itself." Which it doesn't. Weird, eh?

Post by **Herms** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:13 pm

Bussani wrote:Considering he threw Kuririn using only his tail, I assume by 'training' he literally means to strengthen it, like any muscle.

Yeah, the word used is kitaeru, which could alternatively be translated as "to strengthen".

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:52 pm

Herms wrote:
Bussani wrote:Considering he threw Kuririn using only his tail, I assume by 'training' he literally means to strengthen it, like any muscle.
Yeah, the word used is kitaeru, which could alternatively be translated as "to strengthen".

Thanks for the clarification.

Ahhh, and that's why I'm happy with Viz's translation. It almost always manages to get the point across, even if it's not word for word accurate.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:22 am

Bussani wrote:But it didn't. I've always wondered about that myself.

It's likely that Toriyama just forgot. It could very well be for the same reason that Trunks and Goten didn't have tails.

Of course fans can make up various "in story" reasons such as "the tails were removed because everyone knew how dangerous they were by that point" and so on, but really, it's just because Toriyama forgot. He didn't plan on having Vegeta be a long-term character anyway, so him forgetting to make a point of his tail growing back eventually makes sense. His mind was on other things, and by the Cell Saga, the story of the Saiyan mythology and Freeza had already been dealt with.

Herms wrote:
Kroni_Hunter wrote:...and this is right after he says Goku would have been a laughing stock for not having one.
When does he say that?

Are you kidding?

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:32 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Vegeta did make the statement to the doctor that his tail would grow back but since the majority of the Saiyans were destroyed when he was 5 years old, he did not have anyone to teach him in the ins and outs of Saiyan biology.

Goku didn't have anybody to teach him, but he grew his tail back twice by himself.

Herms wrote:
Kroni_Hunter wrote:...and this is right after he says Goku would have been a laughing stock for not having one.
When does he say that?

I think it's after Vegeta used the Power Ball. In the Viz translation, he said: "Too bad you don't have a tail!! Traitor...!!!"

And Steve's translation was: "You're going to regret losing your tail, Kakarotto!"

Post by **Herms** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:51 am

SHINOBI-03 wrote:I think it's after Vegeta used the Power Ball. In the Viz translation, he said: "Too bad you don't have a tail!! Traitor...!!!"

And Steve's translation was: "You're going to regret losing your tail, Kakarotto!"

True, but that's a bit different than saying Goku would be a laughing stock for not having a tail (for the record, Steve's translation is the more accurate one).

Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:Are you kidding?

No. Why would you think so?

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