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To add, Toriyama's modus operandi is to introduce an unassuming character with a more imposing one (Tenshinhan-Chaozu, Piccolo Daimao-Piano, Nappa-Vegeta, Dabura-Babidi). 20 would've been more imposing if Toriyama hadn't figured out that he wants him to be Gero, I would wager.

The Super manga is canon to the original manga.


One would naturally think that, but there's also things in the super manga that contradict the original: notably piccolo having five fingers like in the anime instead of four, like toriyama alwas drew him, and then there's things like anime ...

On the topic of canon:

It's a meaningless term in media franchises that get this big and involve this many people and products.

"Canon to" is how you should think of it.

People on previous pages said Super is canon. But, like, which version of Super? That depends, doesn't it? The Super manga is ...

People tend to forget, that Superman was fantasy of two jewish immigrants, Siegel and Shuster, basically a power fantasy after centuries of oppression and pogroms

Superman's origin means nothing when Siegel and Shuster were penniless and basically begging for scraps before Neal Adams took up ...

...You're gonna have to explain this, because it's not obvious to me. As much as Goku looks like any race, he looks white as the driven snow. His status as an "immigrant", so to speak, is identical to Superman's. Goku has faced more trials and adversity in his life than Supes (simply by virtue of ...

JulieYBM wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:30 pmDan Mora.

He's from costa rica, so him being a dragonball mark is expected.

For what I think are very obvious reasons, Goku and the saiyans mean more to minority groups than Superman ever will.

Maybe the fusion bugs were just a red herring for people to think fusion would have been the answer, but instead it was SS4. Or maybe Toriyama wanted to introduce the concept to use it in a future story.


It would be very funny if a later story arc in the Super manga just has goku rummage ...

I’m curious, aside from maybe the fusion bugs, what would you say went unexplained but was important?


Well, a few things.

What exactly is Super Saiyan 4? If Goku already knew how to do it, what did Neva actually do? If not, was he training to create some new form, but then Neva's intervention ...

The part of my brain that loves to neatly categorize things is displeased by this finale that leaves so many things unexplained.

But the much larger part of my brain that loves that it just ended so open-endedly is very pleased.

Daima was a good time. Definitely the best Dragonball has looked on a ...

But I admit my criticisms of modern Vegeta's characterization are best applicable to the anime version. The manga in general does a good job with the character, though I also believe the underlying issue that he's still too combative and aggressive unnecessarily is also present.


The Super anime ...

I do like also Vegeta's characterization so far.


Vegeta’s character is often misunderstood as being just Goku and being a fight pervert.

That’s not Vegeta.

Goku is driven to be better tomorrow than he was yesterday. If Goku loses a fight, as long as he gave it his all, he’s okay. That’s not ...

What I said has everything to do with why Toriyama forgot SSJ2 but remembered 3, honestly you're just yapping.
Look at Neko Majin Z, all SSJ transformations have SSJ2 sparks, you can see in real time when Toriyama blended their designs and forgot what was supposed to make SSJ2 visually distinct ...

Re: Glorio

I think what irked me the most about his arc is that he only had one decently defined relationship in the whole show, with Panzy. What's his relationship with Goku like,


As someone who has not interacted with fans about Daima until this episode, I think his relationships with Panzy ...

I don't know why you feel like that would be such a betrayal of Beerus' character

That's not at all what I said.

It would be missing the point of having Beerus around all this time and continually moving the goalpost that is his strength.

If a future writer comes along and has Goku and Vegeta ...

What was Dragon Ball's motto again?
Something, something, there will always be someone stronger... Something like that...
If Super's continuity gets continued, Beerus and Zeno at some point will get replaced, it's an inevitability.


Good, you understand the motif Toriyama likes to use.

Now ...

I'm willing to bet he remembered SSJ3 as opposed to SSJ2 because it's very visually distinct.

Not the point.

The point is SS3 is associated with a role within the story. SS2 was Gohan's character arc being completed, which is probably why "Beast" is just SS2 Gohan with white hair and in an ...

JulieYBM wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:48 pm I'm hoping that that 'luminary' bit is sarcasm

One would think calling him Joseph and then talking about how capital degrades art would tip you off to that lol

The only Luminary I believe in resides in Mohgwyn Palace.

Since you inquired, here was my post on SS3. The tl;dr version of my point there is that these forms can sometimes work just as well without buildup and also substantively contribute in ways other than just whatever they're doing for their user's character arc. With one episode to go for Daima, it ...

. I made a whole post last thread laying out all the ways SS3 contributed to the Buu arc from a narrative standpoint, and I especially appreciate what it did for Vegeta's dynamic with Goku.

All Super Saiyan forms in the original run have pretty good subtext to them in one way or another, I feel ...

To be quite honest, I don't care about Super Saiyan 4. I keep myself divorced from all news surrounding Daima, so when it first showed up I was surprised, and the most it could elicit from me was "okay, so this is the new toy they wanna sell."

Just throw it into the pile of Super Saiyan ...