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Continuity 0.5: The 520 chapter manga run from 1984 to 1995. I could take or leave everything else.

How strong is Vegeta post Oozaru? His Oozaru form was stronger than KKx5 Goku (Or at least KKx4 going by Gohan a and Kuririn’s reactions), but post Oozaru Vegeta has his hands full with enraged Gohan. Did he lose even more power when detransforming?


Could be. Goku always feel asleep after ...

Still, the point is that the blast was stronger than Vegeta’s power, and thus overtook Vegeta’s defense and blasted him away. That’s what you’d expect of a blast stronger than its target. Freeza defending himself from the Kamehameha would at least suggest they’re comparable.


To me, the point ...

Goku hit Vegeta with a x4 Kamehameha at nearly twice Vegeta's battle power, and it didn't immediately kill him. I don't think this is as cut and dry as you think it is.


The thing is, Vegeta surviving was a literal miracle. The characters even acknowledge as much. Freeza wasn’t even hit, he ...

Manga didn't need to give a direct number. Goku hit 50% Frieza with a x20 Kamehameha and it didn't really do anything to Frieza. Considering Frieza then got twice as strong as that at 100% and then was tying SS Goku until Freeza's energy started to drop, Super Saiyan would have had to have been a ...

I find the theory someone from Neoseeker created fits better than the decreasing SS theory.

https://i.imgur.com/Pt20wcj.png

It not only keeps the official 50 times multiplier but it also makes Yakon only being 3.75 times weaker than SS Goku fit very well. We can also use this for Daima where ...

The Kaioken kinda sucks. In the last arc, Vegeta survived a blast that was, on paper, nearly twice his power level and was still in fighting shape.


That's also assuming the Kamehameha didn't raise Goku's battle power as it did against Raditz, which would put that blast upwards of four times ...

The idea is often treated as heretical for a few reasons (big one is Beerus's statement about Goku not being able to beat Freeza), but I feel like a lot of weirdness with scaling gets alleviated by assuming Super Saiyan is a 5x (or maybe 10x) boost from the Artificial Humans onward. It very ...

Nappa calmed down and used some sort of lighting aura power-up tech which doubled his power level.
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That's why Nappa was able to go toe to toe with Goku evenly once he calmed down and used that tech. Goku's Kaioken usage is what gave him the W against Nappa.


Except it's kind of a major ...

I was trying to figure out how much power Goku gained between the Cell Games and the Buu Arc.

Basically:
CG Coku < CG Gohan < CG Gohan (with rage boost) < Buu Arc Vegeta < Buu Arc Goku

Gohan was noticeably stronger than Goku in the Cell Games (x1.25). I am of the thought that when Gohan became ...

Videl can and she would be lucky to be in the double digits. I always assumed that Videl was in the triple digits, being better than her father and all? Probably not reaching 200, but definitely above 100, maybe even 150, I think she can defeat OG Roshi.


OG Roshi blew up the moon. No shot is ...

I'm not part of the Kanzenshuu staff so I can only speculate, but think updating the Battle Power Guide just isn't that high of a priority for them. If anything, we'll probably get a more up to date version when they finish the Wiki.

One thing I want to bring up is that Toriyama might not be talking about the Freeza arc specifically. I watched a YouTube video (Uchiha Tobito's " Is Super Saiyan really a 50x Increase? ") a while back about how in the Cell arc and especially the Boo arc, there's a lot of evidence that implies that ...

I agree. I doubt Toriyama truly cared. They were talking about SSJ and it came to his mind this detail.

That said, at least the editor of the guide(since I assume a lot of people worked on the guide without communicating), should have some common sense. Because what's undeniable, is that ...

You might be right. Additionally, it’s possible that Frieza used more than 50% of his power for a moment. Let’s remember that later, when he uses 70%, he does it instantly.

Anyway, I wonder if Goku’s Kamehameha with the Kaio-ken x20 increased his power further (as in the case of the 924 against ...

The problem with this is that Frieza couldn't have stopped and exploded the Kamehameha that Goku launched at him with the Kaio-ken x20.

Goku himself says it: if Frieza was really using only 50% of his power, there was nothing he could do, not even with the Kaio-ken x20.


Not necessarily ...

Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that. I am just providing a perspective on that statement that I have never seen anywhere else and wanted to share it with you to see what your opinion was.

Anyway, I don't think Toriyama was speaking in general terms. The key is in "what it was up to that ...

I think there's a misunderstanding about what Toriyama meant by his comment about Goku's power increasing 10-fold when he transformed into a SSJ.

Toriyama was comparing two very specific states of Goku:

-Goku injured, using Kaio-Ken: This was his state up to that point, just before transforming ...

Once Dende upgrades the Dragon Balls, I think it's safe to just group wishes made at the same time together.

They still referred to it as Tri-Beam in the actual episode unfortunately. Not sure if it was a case of the writer forgetting what they called Kikoho and the script editor "fixing" it but forgot to change the episode title or what.

Funimation will do those odd references to the Japanese version ...