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To all those keep saying that SSJ2 Vegeta is above SSJ3 Goku/SSJ2 Trunks here is my question. Why did Vegeta looked shocked to see SSJ2 Trunks being on par with SSJ3 Goku in chapter 15 page 35? He shouldn't if his own SSJ2 was on par with Goku’s SSJ3 let alone hundreds of times higher. Vegeta said t...

Speedster , when have we ever seen that so called ability to improve in the original Manga? It definitely does exist in Toriyama's mind and was also brought up in the DBS Anime with Vegeta's comment about Hit, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere in the Manga OR the Anime for that matter . Well it ha...

It seems that most fans think ‘Zenkai boosts’ only apply to recovering from near death situations but Saiyans' ability to improve always extended beyond that. Saiyans are also known to improve while/after fighting stronger opponents. So although recovering from near death situations stopped giving G...

I've been doing a power level list, with all the power gaps, scaling, and everything that makes sense during the Cell and Buu sagas. But it just seems impossible for me to make the base saiyans weaker than Frieza, no matter how hard I try to make the power scaling through the series. Every time I r...

The stated values are not completely random. There is some basis behind their derivation. 1. SSJ2 being SSJ1x2 must be due to the fact that an attack which was meant to kill SSJ1 Vegeta resulted to SSJ2 Gohan losing half of his power. And Gohan was NOT caught off-guard. He jumped in, fully knowing t...

I have the feeling that Toyotaro had Black receive that serious beat up by Vegeta so that he can gain a massive Zenkai boost. It is not a coincidence that he had Zamasu appearing just in the nick of time to not only save him but heal him too. Toyotaro likes through-backs to the original manga and wh...

So in the anime I guess base Goku is close to full power SSB Vegeta then by the same logic... Base Goku Vs Hit is in the manga too. However, you could say that Hit wasn’t taking Goku seriously at all and it was all about Goku claiming he could beat tokitobashi. Hit used as a result as much power ju...

Manga power scaling 1. In the manga it was stated that Hit could only use tokitobashi only on people who are either near or below his power level. Hit could use it on SSJ1 Goku so SSJ1 Goku definitely wasn’t considerably stronger. But on the flip side SSJ1 Goku WAS near HIT’s power and not consider...

Except that contradicts what's indicated in the Z manga. Picking and choosing as you see fit I see. But isn't Dragonball Super your "confirmation" in your argument about base Saiyans being weaker than Freeza? What in the original manga ever contradicted the notion that base Saiyans>Freeza...

Which guide is this? A video game guide? V-jump. V-Jump also says that the power level of SSJ Goku in the Buu arc is 150 million. The 40 million for Yakkon was actually derived by the 800/3000 ratio of Yakkon's to SSJ Goku's power in kili scale. As you can see the original premise of V-jump (that S...

If you want to go by guides Yakon's power level was 40 million, so even he was weaker than Frieza. Which guide is this? A video game guide? The fact that Dabra then felt certain that the likes of Pui Pui could easily handle Vegeta and the others only shows that his capacity to detect strength is un...

Pui Pui's 10x gravity schtick comes from the Saiyans arc, and he fought Vegeta. [...] All of this means that Pui Pui is as strong as Vegeta was during the saiyans arc. If you want, you can think of him as Oozaru Vegeta rather than base, but I don't think he should be any higher. As for Pui Pui at b...

Fans laugh at Pui Pui, as they consider that 10x gravity is a Saiyan-arc-level feat. However in the light of nerfed feats in the Buu arc (see base Gohan being at least 7x slower than Saiyan arc Goku, SSJ1 Vegeta doing just 1.5x the gravity training that Goku did in the Namek arc, and Goku struggling...

He explicitly states that he never transformed at all when he attacked planet Vegeta though. Freeza: “Oh, is that right? Look vee—eery closely then. This isn’t something you get to see very often. Even when I attacked Planet Vegeta , where the Saiyans lived, and fought with the king, I was able to ...

He stated upon transformation into his third form that it's the first time he's ever used it, and stated that he never transformed when he attacked Planet Vegeta. It was never explicitly stated that he destroyed Planet Vegeta in his first (or second form for that matter). Only thing Freeza said in ...

The rocks also have planetary durability as they are part of the planet. LOL. That is not how it works. Planetary durability refers to the ability of withstanding attacks capable to destroy a planet. Compared to destroying that rock surrounding the door, to destroy a planet you would need as much l...

3. In chapter 349 Kuririn and Tenshinhan combined couldn't even manage to destroy a door. So much for casual moon or planet busters! Obviously Gero's door has planetary durability. Even if the door itself was somehow special and “of planetary level durability" the surrounding rocky mountain on...

we know for absolute fact that Freeza was capable of destroying planets with a battle power of 530,000, and Future Trunks' base form was several times that by the beginning of the Cell arc. Given that he went Ssj and fired a blast he was intending to stop #17 and #18 with, there is legitimately no ...

Vados + Towa. The ultimate blue-skinned ageless goddess.

Well but he didn't need to kill her. That’s the point. He made it as if shutting her down would automatically mean her death, but killing her would be a separate step he would need to make as a desperate move. Also #18 stood better chances to not be absorbed by Cell if Kuririn shut her down and hid ...