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I still feel like there was a new form coupled with Ultra Instinct to explain the power boost. Whis and Beerus never changed physically when they used it.

Oh yeah that's right. When Beerus somewhat did it in the manga recently all that happened was that he dodged attacks well.

From the ...

I think you're taking 'original strength' too literally instead of seeing it as the saying, 'you're not at your peak anymore because you can't even go Ultimate'. For example, if Goku lost his god forms, but trained his other Super Saiyan forms to be stronger than he was with his god forms, Goku ...

We now for a fact that RoF Gohan can't be anywhere near Ultimate Gohan, as he didn't regain that level of strength until episode 88 when he became Ultimate Gohan again.

Keep in mind that Gohan did a ton of training with Piccolo between RoF and the Zen Exhibition match. with significant ...

Look at the anime and manga, i would go with the following:

ssj1-3 and opponents of this tier r slightly higher than they were in the buu saga.

Ssg and Ssgss are another realm of power(as shown in the manga and vs Jiren)

Again, why would Goku and Vegeta after training with Whis all this time ...

Keep in mind, Shin was stated to be the weakest Supreme Kai in U7 in both the manga and anime. In the anime, South Supreme Kai could trade blows with Kid Buu.

Oh yeah, some Kai's could be much stronger than Shin. We do know that Zamasu was stronger than any of the other Kai's so that's a bit of ...

Then there's the God ki problem, where they try to make the concept seem incredibly important. But it only seems to matter, for the Saiyajins. All the Kaioshins had god ki and they were fodderized by Boo. Dende and Kami had god ki, or at least could sense it, and they're fodder. King Kai has god ki ...

No reason to pretend they have levels all planned out. More likely than not they just receive general notes and alter each episode based around them.

Given some of the insights we've gleamed from Toshio's Twitter account, it's more than likely true that Toei doesn't actually dictate Super's power ...

Man i really enjoyed your post, you should write a book about it, i would definitely read it! Anyways, yeah i agree with all these points. It just.. doesn't make sense. That's the central point. We can try to defend it all we want, but it doesn't matter and would be pointless, because in the end ...

I concur with the idea of the scaling having taken a definite dive.

It's clear that DBS is lacking in consistency when it comes to power-scaling, hence why I feel we sometimes grasp at straws in order to make things make sense. Because, putting it simply, they don't make sense as is ...

Interesting to see that Freeza can still use "100%",and that Frost can do it to. I suppose that means in a way True Form Freeza is stronger than we thought, as he's not ever using 100% of his true form power. Unless he can use 100% without bulking up, and just did so for show to get Frost to drop ...

I'm kinda disappointed, we were border-line denied a view of Frost's gains. It seems like he's still weaker than Vegeta, so Hit must've been humoring him before.

Roshi's stamina was pretty good all things considered, with the Mafuba and all. I was worried he'd actually give Frost trouble, but ...

I'm kinda disappointed, we were border-line denied a view of Frost's gains. It seems like he's still weaker than Vegeta, so Hit must've been humoring him before.

Roshi's stamina was pretty good all things considered, with the Mafuba and all. I was worried he'd actually give Frost trouble, but ...

It was clearly stated in that episode that Gohan had a plan against Botamo. Nothing to do with strength comparison.
Goku's punches were horizontal, Gohans attacks were vertical uppercuts/kick. Causing Botamo to be lifted up.

I figured as much. Oh well. Perhaps I'll find some consistency in ...

She let Vegeta wear himself out sure, but it's not like when he was running full steam he stood much of a chance. 18 never seemed phased by anything he did, the most he accomplished was dirtying her clothes. Her tiring him out seems more like the way she fights than her actually needing to do so ...

While I think the ToP is as inconsistent as the next guy, but there is one bit of consistency I spotted a few weeks back that I thought was interesting. If we accept the premise of Goku = Gohan (in the same form), this would line up well with Goku (ToP) > Goku (U6). Because Gohan was able to move ...

Frieza thought he killed Trunks after his first attack. Then Trunks fired a ki blast and Frieza instinctively dodged, but that was part of Trunk's plant and he came down on him as Frieza was going up. And considering how Gohan stated Frieza was suppressed, it was never stated Frieza powered up ...

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So this is something I've thought about a bit. Katchi Katchin's been broken by pretty much all the characters at this point right? Even Roshi I believe managed to break it. So for ...

Frieza thought he killed Trunks after his first attack. Then Trunks fired a ki blast and Frieza instinctively dodged, but that was part of Trunk's plant and he came down on him as Frieza was going up. And considering how Gohan stated Frieza was suppressed, it was never stated Frieza powered up ...

1. Not disagreeing, just saying that's pretty dumb on Beerus' part. MSSJ Goku by the Beerus arc could literally flick Freeza away. And then this is assuming Beerus is talking about 100% Freeza, considering most people's reference of Freeza's power would be First Form. And he rarely revealed his ...

How strong do you think Master Roshi is compared to characters from Z?

By all rights he should be weaker than Krillin because he's supposed to be the strongest human. Going by Toshio's opinion? Master Roshi should also be weaker than Tien but because of the magic placed on him he was in that one ...