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by p-hyvo
Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:16 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11538
Views: 905444

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

I don't see how V Jump's statment is that wrong, aren't they the ones who stated the most widly accepted things. Like the times 50 multiplier or Goku's power level on Namek. Beerus probably knew Frieza's full power. He wasn't suprised seeing Frieza's final form in that video Whis shows him. It indi...
by p-hyvo
Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:11 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11538
Views: 905444

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

I highly doubt that. Apparently Majin Piccolo was supposed to happen meaning he has to be fairly strong. I also take Vegeta's comment as more just hyperbolic speech probably critiquing how soft others have gotten. Not to mention there is no need for them to be that strong Doubt what you want, but t...
by p-hyvo
Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:59 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11538
Views: 905444

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

I heard that it(Majin Piccolo) was supposed appear but its hearsay not fact. What about Piccolo challenging Dabura aware of his power? What about BoG Goku base being stated as weaker than Frieza. We only saw base Goku capable of beating Yakon who has a PL of 40,000,000 Wow, yakon. Imagine taking v-...
by p-hyvo
Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:23 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11538
Views: 905444

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

I highly doubt that. Apparently Majin Piccolo was supposed to happen meaning he has to be fairly strong. I also take Vegeta's comment as more just hyperbolic speech probably critiquing how soft others have gotten. Not to mention there is no need for them to be that strong Doubt what you want, but t...
by p-hyvo
Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:09 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11538
Views: 905444

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

I think Piccolo was at best in between SSJ1 tier and SSJ2 tier in the Buu saga So if Goku and Vegeta as SSJ 2's are like 6,000,000,000+ Piccolo would be like 4,300,000,000 or something. Everyone has different numbers but that's my thought. He's more likely high SSJ 1 tier. Piccolo Is implied to be ...
by p-hyvo
Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:36 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11538
Views: 905444

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

I think Piccolo was at best in between SSJ1 tier and SSJ2 tier in the Buu saga So if Goku and Vegeta as SSJ 2's are like 6,000,000,000+ Piccolo would be like 4,300,000,000 or something. Everyone has different numbers but thats my thought. He's more likely high SSJ 1 tier. Piccolo Is implied to be w...
by p-hyvo
Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:52 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11538
Views: 905444

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

OFFICIAL UNITS & SOURCES FOR POWER LEVELS: <MASSIVE, needlessly-quoted post snipped> (X) hardly doubt That's too overthought to be something from toriyama. He doesn't think by logarithmic calculation, I'm sure he doesn't even know what a logarithm is. That 6-10-15 was to take for what it was at the...
by p-hyvo
Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:41 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11538
Views: 905444

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Noah wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:21 pm
Is it Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan > SSJ2 Vegeta (Pre Majin)?
Same tier, but basing on what vegeta says I'd say ssj2 vegeta>=ssj2 gohan
by p-hyvo
Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:47 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35420
Views: 1839215

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

1) Base Form Kid Trunks (25th Budokai) vs. 20X Kaioken Son Goku (Against Frieza). 2) Base Form Son Goten (25th Budokai) vs. 50% Final Form Frieza (Frieza Saga). 3) Android 18 (Androids Saga) vs. Android 18 (25th Budokai). 4) Super Saiyan 3 Son Goku (Majin Buu Saga), Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta, Sup...
by p-hyvo
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:16 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power
Replies: 328
Views: 46676

Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

So it is revealed that Super Full Power Saiyan 4 has an advancement transformation that is a limit breaking form too. Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Broken. The name needs work imo but the form looks cool af to me and apparerently is super powerful as they are filled to the brim with Ki and "crush...
by p-hyvo
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33353
Views: 2002043

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

ZombieVito wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:04 pm
How strong is MUI is suppose to be over Omen?

I never expected Omen to return so I never thought about this and I just put it on the ToP very close to MUI.
Imo is x2 in the manga and x5 in the anime
by p-hyvo
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:12 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35420
Views: 1839215

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Is really hard to know how strong Piccolo is right now, is he ss3 tier? ssg? low ssb? could he really match 17? Even though moro was toying with everyone Piccolo performed better than 17. Piccolo Is undeniably low ssb tier now. Who says he isn't need do re-read everything Current ssb Goku>>gohan>pi...
by p-hyvo
Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:29 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it logical to think that SSJ3 Gogeta would be around Buutenks' level?
Replies: 55
Views: 1700

Re: Is it logical to think that SSJ3 Gogeta would be around Buutenks' level?

And no, 18 definitely wasn't stronger than ssj Goten and trunks. Not in the slightest. They scare her by shooting a suppressed SUPPRESSED ssj blast, implying that ssj kids>>18 I think that's the wrong conclusion to draw from that. Despite the tough persona she puts on, she has a husband and daughte...
by p-hyvo
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:23 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1696

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

Goku's kaioken aura gets bigger after he and Kelfa fight a bit, why wouldn't he be using KKx20 against the strongest opponent since Jiren. Sign gets stronger because Goku gets stronger after he uses it. Multipliers don't exit in Super but Sign is a major power up over base Blue. If multipliers does...
by p-hyvo
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:22 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1696

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

Bingo Goku simply got overall stronger in the TOP, the fact that a weakened SSJB Goku can hold his own against SSJ Kelfa who rivals the spirit bomb shows how much Goku has gotten stronger, which shouldn't be surprising cause he went toe to toe with Jiren in episode 122/123 who surpassed the spirit ...
by p-hyvo
Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:55 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1696

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

Yeah, but first berserker activates and what happens? She's still ssj technically, and whis compares her to genkidama. Then she goes ssj2 and gets compared to omen 1 So yeah it's a bit different Ssj2 berserker>=omen 1>ssj berserker≥genkidama >>ssbkk20>ssj>ssb>base>god And I'd say, nothing tells us ...
by p-hyvo
Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:54 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1696

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

SSJ Kefla was fighting KKx20 Blue and later she needs to go ssj2 to fight Sign. That's right at a 50x multiplier. Ultra Instinct arguably shouldn't even be stronger than Sign as Goku is simply learning to attack at the UI level. A 2x boost works for silver. Yeah, but first berserker activates and w...
by p-hyvo
Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:06 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1696

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

SSJ Kefla was fighting KKx20 Blue and later she needs to go ssj2 to fight Sign. That's right at a 50x multiplier. Ultra Instinct arguably shouldn't even be stronger than Sign as Goku is simply learning to attack at the UI level. A 2x boost works for silver. Yeah, but first berserker activates and w...
by p-hyvo
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:58 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1696

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

I am going by what the series is showing Omen isn't anywhere near as strong as people want it to be, Kefla and 127 Jiren proves this, Jiren in episode 127 did beat x 20 Goku, evolution blue and 17 but that's 40+ x of blue level (17 is weaker then blue Goku and Vegeta based on his performance agains...
by p-hyvo
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:37 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it logical to think that SSJ3 Gogeta would be around Buutenks' level?
Replies: 55
Views: 1700

Re: Is it logical to think that SSJ3 Gogeta would be around Buutenks' level?

Goten and Trunks go SSJ to fight 18. https://i.imgur.com/qXdcs4x.png Also, Metamoran was retconned to be just like Potara so it was changed. The 20Xweaker person isn't confirmed but I personally think it works. Gotenks base being greater than the boys SSJ is fair but I think it's fine if he isn't. ...