Kanzenshuu

most likely scenario is #17 being retconned to be 3-to-God level instead of Blue

in the end, he never really showed anything Blue-class in the manga

EDIT: except maybe his barrier

Well, he's saying that he drew that scene with a 10x multiplier on mind (which is a mulitplier that actually makes sense considering what's seen in the manga), a 50x multiplier would be incoherent with the internal rules of the series. how so? Goku was using a x20 multiplier with Kaiohken, and it w...

It would still be his version of Super Saiyan though? What part of "Saiyan with god power going Super Saiyan " is hard to understand? From the research I was able to do as well as the translations I could find, it was almost always referred to as the power of Super Saiyan God, not just god ki. SSG ...

The implications of Rosé being his version of Super Saiyan are considerable. It means that Black with his Scythe (so at his supposed peak) had actually unlocked only a fraction of his full potential, because he could eventually go Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3. Or, you know. Not. Blue is litera...

There are 2 versions of the card https://dragonball.news/news_images/m200323455_3.jpg I can't read what's written on the card, cancyou find the text? here https://imgur.com/a/fmUuJxv "The mighty state of a Saiyan who can stay rational even when being Ohzaru, awakened in the final battle with Super ...

It's quite simple: Blue is SS+God. God is fundamentally "Saiyan with God Ki" So Blue="a Saiyan with God Ki going Super Saiyan". Once Black perfected his mastery of Goku's Body, he could use his God Ki at full power. Stacking it with Super Saiyan resulted into "a Saiyan with God Ki going Super Saiyan...

Psajdak wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:18 am

If I am not mistaken, before Goku demonstrating his forms to Babidi and Buu, there never was Super Saiyan 2; it was just a Super Saiyan who surpassed the Super Saiyan.

also "Grade 5" in some sside-material, IIRC

nah, SS2 is basically "a Super Saiyan going Super Saiyan" While SS4 is more "the ultimate Saiyan body" SS4 is many things together, not only the next step after Super Saiyan unless you take a completely different direction, which would be SS->Golden Ozaru->taking control of Golden Ozaru=SS4 ...which...

Grimlock wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:28 pm

You had no idea because Goku never said, much less "implied" such thing.

Yeah, my bad. I did recalled wrong the old Italian translation, which COULD be interpreted as the hairs being an issue for the transformation... but wasn't likely meant to be taken as such.
Again, my bad sorry.

No-kaiohshin-damn-where #19 and #20 being the one Trunks referred in his first explanation is addressed, at least in-story. This included the extended canon of databooks, games and everything. It makes quite clear it's not a plot-hole(something necessary to the story but not explained) but a retcon....

QuakingStar wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:45 am

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Goha ... formations Gohan had his potential unlocked still, but in GT just couldn't use Potential Unleashed power-up state. Weirdly..

that wiki is unreliable though.

Look, in THIS specific instance it's just a retcon. No plot-hole, because the "hole" has been covered by retconning Trunk to always having never talked about #19 and #20. Unless you start going headcanon that the first Trunks we see is a Trunks from a different timeline where the Androids were #19 a...

Well, Goku implied Gohan having long hair made it harder for him to transform, so being bald should, if anything, make it easier... or it's just irrelevant

Witty User Name wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:43 am

It's a plothole. Look at this detailed explanation

the explanation defines it as a retcon, not a plot hole.

Mad Swami wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:21 am

Nothing is being done with either Shin or Kibbito really so why defuse?

For the joke.

They defused only for the joke of them using one of the wishes to get defused, a "useless" wish.

That's it.

It basically did happen with Muten in the manga.

That's reasonable, but I still have some doubts. He still could have travelled some years before and then used the time machine as a decoy. Absolutely possible, nothing forbids multiple trips. It never made sense that Fused Zamasu had an half-mortal body in the anime, Always interpreted it as Fused...

This don't make sense, and looks a little like headcanon. No, it makes perfect sense. In Trunks The Story it's stated the Time Machine requires about 8 months to recharge(source: https://imgur.com/a/I0KbNPd ) And without the Androids to cause troubles, there is no real reason for Trunks to delay hi...

Maybe ''retcons'' wasn't the best technical term to be used for such plot points in the story, so what would be? :think: VERY BROADLY speaking, it's the correct term. But it's almost never used in such broad way. A better term in this instance would be "reveal". I think. After giving Goku the medic...

let's remember we are talking about time-travelling people here.

"first" and "after" have very limited meaning.