Kanzenshuu

Most of that was Funimation only. Also the "Taking the weights off" was supposed to be cool, not humorous...even if I did laugh when Lee's detractors shut up in awe,

Not really, maybe in the Frieza saga but the rest of the series can't use that excuse. Gotenks, Majin Buu, stuff in Super like ...

After re-watching a bit of Naruto, I feel like the fight scenes had a way better ratio of humor and seriousness. Take Gaara vs Rock Lee, it knew when to be funny (Lee taking off the weights, a little bit of banter between the people and in the flashbacks) and it also knew when to be serious. And it ...

Friendship, believing in your self, not giving up, etc. aren't tropes of Shonen action manga/anime. They are universal concepts that like anything else in fiction, depend on execution. Cynicism in fiction is just as bad if the execution is awful.

Cynicism in general is awful and annoying.
All ...

Goku wtihout his blue undershirt, so him just wearing his orange shirt with nothing under it, is ugly.

ABED wrote:Friendship, believing in your self, not giving up, etc. aren't tropes of Shonen action manga/anime. They are universal concepts that like anything else in fiction, depend on execution. Cynicism in fiction is just as bad if the execution is awful.

Cynicism in general is awful and annoying.

And if nothing else, Power Level debates and arguments are probably one of the single most lasting bits of "damage" that the old dub has left on the series and its fanbase, probably forever.

Lets not try and pretend it's just dub fans who have the power level debates.

Power Level debates ...

You're right I don't have to like him, but I really want to.

And just because he's the protagonist doesn't mean the story has to revolve around him. The Namek Saga up to the Ginyu Force arc, and a good chunk of the Android Saga had the focus on other characters. The Buu Saga kinda tried, pushing ...

When was Goku ever stoic?

Except that it's not his character. He is the kind of character who would let the bad guy go for the sake of a fight.

Sorry, meant static character.

You're right, that's not true to his character. But sometimes I wish it were
If you want that type of character then ...

While more unpopular here than with the general fanbase, I prefer the identity Funimation/Faulconer gave DBZ. When the fights are getting flashier and faster, it just doesn't feel right to not have music that matches that tone. I tried to watch Gohan Kills Cell with the original BGM and also Kai ...

It makes him a hard character to like or root for.

remain this stoic, almost unlikeable person nowadays is frustrating When was Goku ever stoic?

Then again just because something's more accurate doesn't mean it's better just because of that fact. Sometimes I just prefer the dub version of Goku, his speech to Krillin about letting Vegeta go in the ...

Still seeing the whole "Japanese Goku and English Goku are completely different characters" thing even in Kai videos. Also dub fans thinking Japanese Goku has always been a braindead moron 100% of the time, Super hasn't helped with this.

Holy crap, thank you! I don't get why people are so ...

These are parts of the best moments of this arc lol

I found Majin Vegeta to be a whiny brat, with no real consequences for his actions. "I DON'T CARE ABOUT MY FAMILY" "Goku: YES YOU DO!" "Vegeta: Oh, okay". It underdelivered in both plot, as well as the rematch. It was a logical place to go for ...

I will forever be grateful to TFS for helping keep DB popular during the series' many years of inactivity, but the influence they've had on the fandom irritates me sometimes, for lack of a better term. I can't help it. The Gohan dodge jokes and Piccolo is Gohan's real dad crap is getting really ...

Not to mention poorly-done stories like Majin Vegeta and Mystic Gohan.

These are parts of the best moments of this arc lol

I found Majin Vegeta to be a whiny brat, with no real consequences for his actions. "I DON'T CARE ABOUT MY FAMILY" "Goku: YES YOU DO!" "Vegeta: Oh, okay". It underdelivered ...

I've always been shocked people don't like the Buu arc, it's an extremely rich arc with great character development and storyline, awesome fights and tons of epicness IMO

I never understood all the hate for the Buu arc either. Something tells me it stems from Gotenks but I don't know. Still my ...

Because for whatever reason, some people don't like Goku, AT wants to keep outdoing himself on what a selfish ass Goku can be, and because TFS introduced these to people who probably wouldn't think twice about it to begin with. :roll:

It's not like anyone else is a better dad. Piccolo isn't ...