Kanzenshuu

He felt bad for vegeta

Kaioshin is stupid and was wrong , something that is consistent with him , not even 2 arcs ago he find out there's a metalman civilization in his universe via another universe

Simply as this

Or

Future Goku know teleporting and just used it to get rid of freeza and cold

Or

Freeza and cold fucked around long enough for him to arrive in the pod and end it

Your first option is mathematically impossible according to the manga.

Option 1: 'Future Goku knew teleporting and used it ...

All battle powers equalized and reducing the battle to skill and techniques, out of all the Z and Super villains, who's coming out on top? Maybe besides Beerus since he probably wins easily (millions of years of experience, Hakai and other abilities).

I would have said Moro wins since he can just ...

Also what's up with the Zamasu question?

We saw what it took to kill him , it wasn't a super mortal it wasn't a Hakaishin it wasn't even an Angel (all thought sealing was the only option)

Anything minus Zeno can't kill Zamasu

Both Anime and manga have piccolo consistently being on sub Ssj tier from the sams arc

In anime you could argue he's from Buu saga ssj2 level from defeating Gohan to up over Gotenks level if we uses the copy Vegeta arc and RoF

In the manga him throwing hands with Saganbo and Moro and doing ...

Literally nothing , there's no reason why she didn't spot Frost casually walking to krillin and knocking him out despite being right on front of her

Or

Future Goku know teleporting and just used it to get rid of freeza and cold

Or

Freeza and cold fucked around long enough for him to arrive in the pod and end it

And it just being useless?

It's not like it achieved anything in Superhero, but at least here he would've reached it through a method other than Shenron giving it to him as a "bonus", whatever that means.


Correct me because I think I've watched another movie because in it , piccolo

1 ...

Seeing how they are using it less and less for promotion and marketing alongside it own products march getting less compared to others

Yes

No

The only time you could argue for it was Buu saga but even then he was a totally moron

Early Buu arc Hypothetical SS2 Goten vs Super Perfect Cell.
Early Buu arc Hypothetical SS2 Trunks vs Dabura.

Early Buu arc SS Trunks vs Cell Games SS Goku.
If Trunks can beat him, could he also beat the stronger SS Gohan? not in a row, of course.


It's just Dabura with regeneration vs a weaker ...

Koitsukai wrote: Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:38 am Cell Games FPSS Goku vs Cell Games SS Vegeta (enraged, after Trunks is killed by SP Cell)

Going by Z / OG manga rules if you aren't Gohan you got weaker from getting angry unless you unlock a new Transformation so this is a handicap for vegeta

I'm thinking about 2 ways

1_ he's Kale dad / ancestor and him being a piece of shit is what caused her to be a criminal in the manga due to bad history of her family

2_ some villain with reality wrapping power pull him from a "what if?" Timeline where paragu die earlier casing him to be more ...

Well besides Dragon ball AF

There's XenoVerse , Heroes , DB Online and Hero legacy

The Dark Knight wrote: Sat Jan 10, 2026 4:10 pm Instead of Shenron handing Piccolo his orange form in Superhero, I wish Toriyama would've saved it for Daima, have it be the result of Piccolo merging with Neva to help Goku and Vegeta fight Gomah.

And it just being useless?

Champa , vados , Zeno

Welcome to dragon ball post Raditz arrival

If we’re being reductive, sure. But that kind of blanket “DB’s always been like this” take mostly dodges the point. The issue isn’t that things got bigger, it’s that the mechanics of growth and relative power lost clarity. That wasn’t nearly as much ...

Welcome to dragon ball post Raditz arrival

Absolutely like did Goku really have to come in and steal Tien and yamcha fodder Won?

What about 7-3 vs the Z gang? It literally accomplished nothing besides giving them fake hype just to hype Sagnabo up just to hype Goku up even more