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Hey, remember when GT was in pre-production and they were planning to make it set between the same time-skip Super is set now, but they ultimately decided that was a bad idea, because it would feel like it would be "dragging out Dragon Ball"? Yeah...

Simple: Japanese Super Sentai actually has stories, characters and arcs. Americanized Power Rangers, especially the early seasons, often throws it all under the bus for cool factor and replaces complex characters for generic hero types and sanitizes complex themes such as death. Not to mention how ...

In the same vein, if your series' primary objective is to be a braindead story made to entertain a 10-year-old's concept of cool... Then don't complain when grown-ass adults call it a braindead story made to entertain a 10-year-old's concept of cool.

Isn't that right, Mr. Tori-"Daima is trash anime ...

I'm not one to fall for cheap fanservice, but holy hell, the GT opening poses and characters getting their own character are amazing.

Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread before, but:
I'm glad they're actually going with a whole new direction this time and ditched the entire "Trunks rehashes the same old shit" premise.

Dragon Ball vs. Sailor Moon, and preferably have the Sailor Senshi beat the shit out of the Dragon Team.

The difference is that Mr. Satan was firmly established as weak, a fraud, a coward and a side gag character.
Videl was established as a fighter, brave, strong and a main character alongside Gohan, Trunks and Goten.

No one is going to complain Mr. Satan is weak because he's nowhere near as serious ...

Regular humans don't shapeshift, switch personalities and turn blonde upon sneezing, are able to launch death lasers, or... anything at all shown in Dragon Ball, really... Just saying.

And Videl is introduced as pretty strong, willing to learn new things and surpass her own limits... You know, the ...

I just want to get something straight, real quick:

Being born that strong because you have "potential": 👍
Surpassing old martial masters who had to train for hundreds of years in a matter of days with barely any training: 👍
Getting stronger via a magical sneeze transformation: 👍
Getting stronger ...

Do you mean Gohan being born with the powers that he had? They explained Saiyan culture that every Saiyan power level are tested from birth, there are those that are born with high power level and those that are born with low power level. Then we find out hybrid Saiyans has more potential than ...

super michael wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 5:14 pm Going from normal human strength to Gohan level is far too big, especially with her limited skills that she knows.

I thought being literally born that strong was far too big a gap, too.
Yet, Toriyama did it anyway for a quick gag.

Even if it is a gag manga, it doesn't mean the story can't make sense. Lets assume Toriyama introduced something to get Videl from weak to as strong as the Z fighters and Saiyans, then people would ask why doesn't the Saiyan do the same as Videl.

Because if there's one thing Dragon Ball is known ...

Goku, Gohan, Kuririn, Vegeta and Piccolo were already strong before getting their potential unlocked. Videl is weak that is what makes her different. Even Granolah and Gas were strong before getting their wish for more power.

Present Gohan greatly surpassed Future Gohan, due to Present Gohan ...

Your description of Gohan training in the Buu Saga is correct, even Goku found it hard to lift the Z sword. However it doesn't change that Gohan lost power from not training for seven years.

And that's why I'm very glad that entire story got shafted, just so we could get even more Goku with ...

Nah. If you go through the fight carefully, there’s a clear shift in Goku’s behavior.

Obviously.
However, my point is that not enough is actually done with it other than making Goku stronger for me personally to have found it enjoyable.

Goku doesn’t need to become evil for it to work. What ...

At this point I wonder what exactly you like about the franchise and what exactly is well written about it in your opinion. I get your criticisms but you are taking it to the point I doubt you like anything about Dragon Ball. Because bullshit power ups is something the franchise has worn on its ...

I get your point, but I think there’s a false equivalence here.
My argument isn’t about numbers, it’s about what actually happens in the story. Goku’s power level could be 3,000,000, it doesn’t change the fact that he was being completely dominated by Freeza. Nothing he tried worked. There’s even ...

I came out and gave you several reasons why the specific example you used is weak, so I wouldn’t say I’m "wrapping my head around trying to justify it now"...

Your "several arguments" boiled down to "Well, Goku trained hard before and was still leagues behind Freeza."
Which I thought was weak ...

But something something it’s not fair that Yamcha and Tenshinhan don’t have Saiyan genetics. Dragon Ball bad


Disingenuous argument is disingenuous. Do you have anything to say about the actual things I was pointing out or what?
But yes, Dragon Ball bad, at least as far as the Boo arc is ...

I normally hate relying on other people's logic and opinions but this is exactly what I want to say right now.
What’s your point? The Dragon Balls shouldn’t be in Dragon Ball because they’re not real?
Ki blasts aren’t real either!
King Furry isn’t real!
Saiyans aren’t real!
Hoi Poi Capsules aren ...