Kanzenshuu

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I knew someone on MFG who was trying to prove that the SSJ multiplier was and always had been 3x. He said that the beating he took caused a Zenkai when the transformation healed him. His only defense against the matter of the Kaioken was "Goku forgot it" =/

The multiplier is something up for debate ...

I think they're at the same power to be honest.

Erm, first off, please don't resort to the "equations" to make your points... They're kind of annoying, and we've already had a recent thread similar to this one devolve to nothing but those comparisons and get locked because of it.

Anyway, vicdmx, I think you're severely underestimating just how ...

There's really no debate here: Gogeta should be as as powerful as Vegetto (less-powerful, but not signifigantly so), and Vegetto is clearly stronger than Gotenks.

Vegetto>>Gogeta>Gotenks.

For me.

Vegetto = Gogeta > Gotenks.

And lets not bring personalities into this. This is on power alone ...

Yep. 180,000 IIRC.

OK, lets look at this a different way.

So a Metamorese fusion is basically 1 + 1 x whatever (as a theory).

So if we take the multiplier away and halve it, we're left with one half of the fusion, say Goku and Goten for the sake of argument.

So basically we have (M)SSJ Goku versus SSJ3 Goten.

Can ...

From what I can remember, it was a standard 2 times Kaioken.

Not quite, Goten and Trunks seems to have been training as Gotenks, not separately. It seemed, to me at least, that Trunks and Goten gained little power during their RoSaT training but that Gotenks' increased immensely.

Good point, though I wonder if or how that would actually work. I know with ...

Gogeta would win through being more powerful. He's pretty much the same person as Vegetto, with the only exception being he doesn't last as long.

Vegeta and Goku are so much more powerful than their sons that the fusions don't even compare. It's a tribute to their power that any fusion we see of ...