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by ZombieVito
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Goku Black and Zamasu split because one of them wasn't a Kaioshin.
Replies: 4
Views: 241

Re: Goku Black and Zamasu split because one of them wasn't a Kaioshin.

Shin and Kibito didn't split, but the latter was an apprentice, because the old Kaioshin didn't as well. Was merged Zamasu an oversight by Toyotaro or is there something else to be explained? Could there be a special relationship between Shin-jins not yet Kaioshins that backfired once Zamasu became...
by ZombieVito
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:27 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 34314
Views: 1331575

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Ginyu [Tagoma] vs Cell Jr. Gohan [Post Z sword] vs Kid Gohan [Cell Games]. 1st Form Freeza [RoF] vs Perfect Cell [Zenkai]. Kuririn [ToP] vs Base Future Trunks [Cell Games]. Tenshinhan [ToP] vs Base Vegeta [Post 1st RoSaT]. Base Vegeta [BoG] vs 70% Final Form Freeza [Namek]. Pui Pui vs 1st Form Freez...
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Hos base would be weaker if Golden Freeza is only even to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku as of now. My theory is that Freeza in order to eliminate the strain of his Golden form he reduced the multiplier. Think of it like in RoF he used SSG2 and in the ToP he used SS. That's the only way I can e...
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Going off of Resurrection ‘F’, both movie and retelling, true form Freeza was weaker than base for Goku even with his Golden form being stronger. I'm talking about now. They're all within the same general range such that they pretty much stalemate one another. Hos base would be weaker if Golden Fre...
by ZombieVito
Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:35 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 34314
Views: 1331575

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Note that the characters that aren't from a specified Era are meant to represent their final appearance in terms of power. Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2 Quake of Fury) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God) Gotenks (Super Saiyan 3) VS Freeza (3rd Form, Resurrection F) Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2 Rage) V...
by ZombieVito
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:55 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Miracles wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:11 pm
The second fiddle statement would put Vegeta below Freeza too. Since Freeza is equal to the one ahead of Vegeta.
Beat me to it haha.

At the end of the day you can believe what you want but I'll always go with official information.
by ZombieVito
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

there are direct comparisons between SSG and SSB facing the same enemies , which have totally different levels than what was shown in GT and that would be enough to put both forms above SSJ4 What are you talking about? Simply put, SSG has made much bigger feats and has faced enemies that also rank ...
by ZombieVito
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Just like everything else in DBS, SSG has more feats and demonstrations of power than anything ever shown by SSJ4 in DBGT (not only that, but its performances against higher level enemies as well). Comparing characters from such different media is tricky, but definitely SSG seems to be a level far ...
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

supersaiyangodgogeta wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:44 pm
Probably about as strong as God of Destruction Toppo since Golden Frieza=SSB=Base Toppo.
Golden Freeza is stronger than base Toppo though.
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Actually, SSB at under 10% power is below SSG. It seems like the manga's stamina-draining normal SSB could rest around approx. 5 times greater than SSG, while its completed state is an exact 10 times like in the anime and recent movie. Yup. While Blue being 10 times God would be nice to reduce the ...
by ZombieVito
Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Sounds like reaching, honestly. Beerus is important, yeah, but nothing has actually concretely stated recently that this is still the case when the evidence points to enemies coming out that are stronger than Beerus. But since you're not likely to budge on the matter, I'll just leave ya to believe ...
by ZombieVito
Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Sounds like reaching, honestly. Beerus is important, yeah, but nothing has actually concretely stated recently that this is still the case when the evidence points to enemies coming out that are stronger than Beerus. But since you're not likely to budge on the matter, I'll just leave ya to believe ...
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Well, let's see, Android 17 was equal to Base Vegeta, and Super 17 was overwhelmingly stronger than SS2 Vegeta(I assume it was SS2, no reason for him to hold back any power) and several other SS, so Vegeta is 100x stronger and is still outclassed and so are the rest, if Super 17 was twice as strong...
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Question: if Super 17 is the result of Android 17 and Hell Fighter 17 merging, would he be equal with their Potara fusion? Given S17's great power in comparison. I might try and go beyond the Baby Saga with these calcs and finish with GT. To end the GT Baby saga scale: Super Baby Vegeta=2×Super Veg...
by ZombieVito
Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:37 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11206
Views: 701300

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

. For all we know, he's massively weaker than her. No, he is not. Caulifla's attacks did nothing to him, Caulifla was slightly stronger, but both are definitely comparable, Goku probably needed to transform into SSJ against him, like he used SSJ against Frost, who is weaker than Freeza. Freeza stom...
by ZombieVito
Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:42 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11206
Views: 701300

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

And I disagree. Nowhere was it even implied it accounted for his "inner" strength. Base Goku didn't fall because he's over the Kaioshin level in base. Is as simple as that. Even if Goku was stronger than Kaioshins in base, that wouldn’t explain why he didn’t pass out, specially because everything b...
by ZombieVito
Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:21 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30243
Views: 1423814

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:06 am
About Z: Could Base Vegito have used some form of kaioken against Buuhan in order to have the upper hand without being, already in base, stronger than him?
Yes but it would be foolish.

Why be 20 times stronger with strain if you can be 50 times without any strain?
by ZombieVito
Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:16 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11206
Views: 701300

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Toyotaro is a massive AT fanboy so I'm sure he uses what happens in the movies for the damn manga. He even used the promo he did for RoF in some flashbacks. Freeza's fight with SS Kefla is very inconclusive. Freeza just throws rocks at her without even throwing a punch. For all we know, he's massive...
by ZombieVito
Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:52 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11206
Views: 701300

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

This keeps being brought up when people talk about Base Saiyans in the manga, but that’s clearly not related only to Goku’s base form, which is an ant in comparison to the Gods of Destruction. Goku only managed to keep standing because his true strength is equal to a God of Destruction candidate. A...
by ZombieVito
Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:05 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11206
Views: 701300

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

ahill1 wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:50 pm
What are your guys' estimations for the base Saiyajins in the Super, Toyotaro's manga? Current base Saiyajins. I think this is one topic that a lot of people don't see eye to eye on.
Stronger than Shin as proven in the GoD battle royale.