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by ZombieVito
Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Because power-creep has always been a heavy element of Dragon Ball. I mentioned earlier how it's bad world-building that Fused Zamasu the supreme god has already been surpassed literally in the following arc by a heavily-suppressed Jiren, but then DBZ also had stupid power creep which ruined world-...
by ZombieVito
Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:17 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Because power-creep has always been a heavy element of Dragon Ball. I mentioned earlier how it's bad world-building that Fused Zamasu the supreme god has already been surpassed literally in the following arc by a heavily-suppressed Jiren, but then DBZ also had stupid power creep which ruined world-...
by ZombieVito
Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:13 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How did Freeza last against SS Goku on Namek for so long when he was outclassed?
Replies: 3
Views: 38

Re: How did Freeza last against SS Goku on Namek for so long when he was outclassed?

His race is extremely durable. As you said he survived a planet exploding on him twice without much power left in him.
by ZombieVito
Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:36 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:59 pm
Goku's base from RoF.

He can beat up FF Freeza that one-shot SS Gohan in his 1st form, but then that is not enough for Assault form Frost or even Trunks?
Base Goku was above Assault Frost.

Trunks got beat for a year by Goku black and he has had insane gains before.

There's no inconsistency.
by ZombieVito
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:54 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

In the manga? Fused Zamasu not being an official Supreme Kai, because apparently neither Goku Black nor Future Zamasu were official Supreme Kais... even though Future Zamasu freely used the Time Ring, a divine artifact that can only be used by the Supreme Kais (so much so that Gowasu had to promote...
by ZombieVito
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:37 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 87
Views: 1413

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Just remembered another strange retcon: that Shin and every kaioshin knows teleportation. I feel like Toriyama forgot that this was actually the technique of Kibito back in Z. This one can be explained away by Shin not having proper Kaioshin training. He then retained the knowledge of the technique...
by ZombieVito
Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:37 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35268
Views: 1752355

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Here are some more versus matches: 1. MSSJ Goku, MSSJ Gohan, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (all Cell Games) vs 2 Multi-Formed Cells and the 7 Cell Jrs 2. Vegeta vs Piccolo vs Tenshinhan (equal power levels) 3. SSJ Cabba and Botamo (Champa arc) vs Freeza (100%) and Ginyu-Tagoma (ROF arc)...
by ZombieVito
Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:14 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35268
Views: 1752355

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Corrupted Fused Zamasu vs. Anilaza, can Zamasu break his core like 17 did? Or does he lose 1v1 (there's no one to keep Anilaza busy in a beam struggle)? Zamasu stomps easily. The difference is incredibly huge. Anilaza fell to Blue tier characters. Corrupted Zamasu held his ground against a Blue fus...
by ZombieVito
Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:09 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35268
Views: 1752355

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Agreed, I feel the same way. But what's your opinion on Base Gohan performing better than Piccolo in the Anime, and being stated to be the strongest of the group (if I recall correctly) even before Gohan pulled out Super Saiyan? He didn't. After Tagoma one shotted him, Piccolo smugly challanged him...
by ZombieVito
Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35043
Views: 2729444

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:01 am
I mean, obviously I don’t include Infinite Zamasu (Universe merged) I guess I should have clarified that better. In the Manga, even a mere SSJ Blue Goku (perfected version ofcourse) was already on par with this “all powerful FUSION”.
And that's why the manga version sucks. They made Zamasu lame.
by ZombieVito
Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:19 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35268
Views: 1752355

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

GatoF wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:31 pm
What is the strongest character that RoF Gohan could defeat in dragon ball Z ?
With Super Saiyan? His Super Saiyan self from the Cell games.

In base? He beats KKx20 Goku but falls to Namek Freeza.
by ZombieVito
Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:08 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35043
Views: 2729444

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Oh you mean how Merged Zamasu FELT less of a threat than Goku Black and Future Zamasu operating together??? Yes, I agree! These two felt way more threatening and effective against our heroes then Merged Zamasu did in the Anime at least... Huh? The heroes pretty much exhausted themselves and they co...
by ZombieVito
Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32733
Views: 1898889

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Here's a question I was wondering about: How strong do you think the students at Tenshinhan's dojo are? (Excluding Yurin of course) Are they just average humans who would lose to the likes of Mr. Satan? Or are they possibly early Dragonball level, knowing techniques like flight and Dodonpa? Do you ...
by ZombieVito
Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32733
Views: 1898889

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

But then how would that explain Super Saiyan Broly and Gogeta going at it relatively evenly despite Gogeta's base form performing similarly to SSB Goku and Vegeta individually, if not better? He was able to outpace and dodge/deflect blasts a whole lot better than them; he only didn't go on the offe...
by ZombieVito
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32733
Views: 1898889

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Golden Frieza's punches were able to dull Broly's movements a bit if landed properly, and if he were to throw blows with all of his might, Broly would go for avoiding them. However, that was all he could do. Doesn't this kinda imply Broly isn't dozens of times stronger than Freeza? Maybe Ikari and ...
by ZombieVito
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:46 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Which storyline shows Goku at his least competent?
Replies: 29
Views: 432

Re: Which storyline shows Goku at his least competent?

Goku is the reason why Zamasu went evil, so you could say he was responsible for the Future Trunks arc. Zamasu would've never gone down the genocide route if he never witnessed first-hand the overwhelming strength of mortals by fighting Goku (this is factually proven with Future Zamasu). Goku's inc...
by ZombieVito
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why hasn't Moro gone after Broly?
Replies: 18
Views: 649

Re: Why hasn't Moro gone after Broly?

Its the same reason why no one ever sensed Broly's Ki in the first place, I guess. As far back as the middle of DBZ, someone like Perfect Cell could be detected across the galaxy by the Namekians but Broly's Ki somehow never showed up on anyone's radar. I guess Vampa is just that remote and that Br...
by ZombieVito
Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:20 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35268
Views: 1752355

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Lionel wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:02 pm
Do we take into account the short snippet from the manga of Gohan admitting to training in the ROSAT during the Future Trunks arc?
It's irrelevant since episode 88 confirms he's as strong as his Boo arc self.
by ZombieVito
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:11 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35268
Views: 1752355

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Is it ever clarified how the mechanics of Gohan's power in the anime after the unlock work? I ask because we catch a glimpse of an incomplete Gohan lashing out against Elder Kaioshin. Strangely the iris of his eyes are whitened out similar to SSJ. If the weakened Gohan from the ROF arc could access...
by ZombieVito
Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:04 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35268
Views: 1752355

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

What do you think the outcome of a fight between Piccolo and Dabura would be ? I don't think he'd win, but Dabura wouldn't have an easy fight either. Piccolo had 7 years to train, and is one of the smartest fighters in the story, so I assume he'd hold his own pretty well. Piccolo from the Buu arc d...