Kanzenshuu

Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 3:16 pm Super is factually worse than Daima. You can still prefer it though.

I didn't ask or care.

Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 1:26 pm You think Daima was bad but want a continuation of something that was far worse ?

Worse to you, not to me.

Learn the difference.

Daima was shit but not enough to make me quit the series.

Hopefully the only thing they take from it is animation and continue with DBS.

Goku and Gohan's fight establishes Gohan still gets rage boosts in this form.
Are you talking about what he says to Goku after getting that clean hit?

"I boosted my chi just up to the point where I might snap...while still maintaining control. That's how I'd best describe it. For now, that's ...

We can finally put to rest the complete nonsense that was "Orange Piccolo is only SSB level".

No way to deny now that he's UI level, I'm so happy.

Scenario, the Buu arc: Babidi takes them all to the daimakai for the Dabura vs Gohan fight, but immediately takes everybody back except for Gohan, who's left stranded there.
Who can he beat in his base form? who will force him to go SS? who would force him to go SS2?(real SS2, not the vanilla SS2 ...

PhantomSaiyan wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 3:05 pm Was this in the show? I don't recall any dialogue during the transformation

Does it matter?

SSBE being equal to SSBKK20 isn't in the show either (Said by a DBS director I think) and people accepted it.

I do recall there being pages upon pages of discussions on Beast Gohan VS Goku so I don't want to bring it up again but what makes everyone here unanimously agree that Gohan is stronger now? From what I understood when I reread the chapter, Gohan can only use his full power in short bursts and ...

We all took Broly's Ikari form to be 10 times his base because it uses Oozaru power.

Why is SS4 different?


Broly's form is described as essentially being oozaru in human form without its lumbering moves. Daima SS4 has no explanation whatsoever so there's no point in linking it to numbers ...

1) Black Freeza.
2) Beast Gohan.
3) SSFP Broly.
4) Cell Max.
5) UI Goku.
6) UE Vegeta.
7) Orange Piccolo.
8 ) Gas.
9) Granolah.
10) Moro.

We all took Broly's Ikari form to be 10 times his base because it uses Oozaru power.

Why is SS4 different?

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:37 pm For what it’s worth, Goku can sense Kaioshin’s Ki and teleports to him in Daima.

He never does it in the Boo arc right?

I've got a fun headcanon explanation for Mini Shin being weaker than everyone else: god-ki.

I like to think that god-ki is something you can only gain and use if you're already substantially powerful by mortal standards. That's why "lower" gods like Dende and the four Kaio can't use it (even ...

I side with Herms and the Daizenshuu.

Shin > Piccolo.

Mini Shin being weaker than base Mini Goku can easily be explained away by him being more nerfed by the wish. Nothing contradicts it and it makes sense in my head that different species got hit differently by the wish.

The nerf for Goku and Vegeta needs to be at least 10 times since SS3 Vegeta > SS4 Mini Goku.

Anyone know what it says on the back?

Goku and Vegeta both not training doesn't matter, if they both aren't training it's the same difference, it's still noteworthy when BoG vegeta surpasses Goku in the same form.
The Daiz are full of shit they say Goten equals Gohan and thus Trunks is stronger by extension and nonsense like that.
I ...

So do we have any idea how much being kids nerfed the cast now in hindsight?

Firstly two factors for my question:

1. Ignoring toei performing having base saiyans over perform either as kids and adults.
2. Asking this question in terms of manga scaling only not anime filler.

We know Dabra couldn ...

Goku, nothing said Vegeta surpassed him in Daima and he'd get a little stronger by BoG too.

SS3 Goku was equal to SS1 Gotenks Pre.
base Super Boo was equal to SS3 Gotenks.
So Super Boo/Gotenks were over 8x stronger than that Goku in the Boo saga.
Gohan was far stronger than Super Boo and now ...

Noah wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 1:04 pm New matches:

- Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta (Daima) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (BoG arc)

- Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Daima) vs. Super Boo (Gohan absorbed)

I have them exactly the same. Goku wins since he has had SS3 for longer I guess.

It is implied that SS4 is 10 times SS3 so Goku wins very easily.