How involved is Toriyama in Super?
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How involved is Toriyama in Super?
Does he do all the writing and designs or what? And which would be canon, the BoG movies, the new manga, or the Super series? Don't they all contradict each other?
Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
He writes the main plot and designs the characters.
Db doesn't have one canon so each of the 3 fit in a different canon :
The movies fit in the movie canon
The chapters fit in the manga canon
Super fits in Kai's canon.
Db doesn't have one canon so each of the 3 fit in a different canon :
The movies fit in the movie canon
The chapters fit in the manga canon
Super fits in Kai's canon.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
That would make much more sense. Then that leaves room for DB/DBZ to be in it's separate canon.sintzu wrote:He writes the main plot and designs the characters.
Db doesn't have one canon so each of the 3 fit in a different canon :
The movies fit in the movie canon
The chapters fit in the manga canon
Super fits in Kai's canon.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
We're not really given any indication how involved he is other than he has provided the overall story and will be producing additional character designs.
On an episode-by-episode or script-by-script basis, if I were to guess, I'd say he's not very involved at all. As for character designs, for all of the new characters we've been introduced to (take for example the aliens and Beebus in Episode 15), from how un-Toriyama-ike they appear, I'd say he's only likely to be providing designs for major characters, if that.
I think the biggest thing for me so far has been some of the vehicle/mecha designs. That spaceship in episode 15 isn't even close to bearing an aesthetic resemblance to Toriyama's past work.
On an episode-by-episode or script-by-script basis, if I were to guess, I'd say he's not very involved at all. As for character designs, for all of the new characters we've been introduced to (take for example the aliens and Beebus in Episode 15), from how un-Toriyama-ike they appear, I'd say he's only likely to be providing designs for major characters, if that.
I think the biggest thing for me so far has been some of the vehicle/mecha designs. That spaceship in episode 15 isn't even close to bearing an aesthetic resemblance to Toriyama's past work.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
It sounds like he will be involved in the U6 arc. The BoG arc so far screams Toei all over the place, so I doubt he is involved with the BoG & FnF arcs.Akira Toriyama wrote:“Dragon Ball Super” is a complete continuation of the Majin Buu story arc. It’s got a bit of post-battle aftermath, continues with the “Battle of Gods” arc where the God of Destruction Beerus appears and the “Revival of ‘F'” arc where Freeza comes back to life, and then, I’ve written a strange new story where they finally depart from this universe. They’re fighting against their neighbors, Universe 6! They’ll yell at me if I give away too many spoilers, so I’ll keep the rest a secret, but they’re chasing after giant Super Dragon Balls; I think things will unfold in a bright and simple way, that will be really fun and exciting!
Since it’s another universe, loads of new characters will turn up. I’ll do my best to draw the tons of character designs necessary, so I’m looking forward to this too.
You know, it suddenly occurs to me that somewhere along the line the Dragon Ball anime has become quite a huge story. Since I’m the guy who drew the thing, it’s a bit weird for me to say this, but when I first started out I never dreamed it would have a universe as a setting (laughs). Don’t worry though, it’s still going to be the same sort of easy-to-understand content as always. Please be sure to watch Dragon Ball Super on TV!
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
He's writing the Universe 6 arc. That's pretty much it.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
Toriyama has claimed to have developed the plot and base character designs. He doesn't appear to be involved in checking scripts or rewriting dialogue.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
does that means U6 arc will not be full Toriyama as BoG arc and F arc?JulieYBM wrote:Toriyama has claimed to have developed the plot and base character designs. He doesn't appear to be involved in checking scripts or rewriting dialogue.
... Not gonna lie, I actually expect this and this is why I would have wanted a movie with Toriyama full involved than this arc being covered in Super...
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It'll more then likely get adapted into a movie in 2017/2018.Beerus-sama wrote:I would have wanted a movie with Toriyama full involved than this arc being covered in Super...
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We don't know that.DBZAOTA482 wrote:He's writing the Universe 6 arc. That's pretty much it.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
Seems to me he's only really doing the U6 stuff so far. I don't know if he really had any hand in the small changes to the anime adaptations of the movie. I'd guess he didn't and it was toei's doing.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
So we hope. In the final analysis we just don't know. Keep in mind that GT was sold as having Toriyama being similarly involved.dbzfan7 wrote:Seems to me he's only really doing the U6 stuff so far. I don't know if he really had any hand in the small changes to the anime adaptations of the movie. I'd guess he didn't and it was toei's doing.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
What do you mean by manga canon? Are you including all the previous Dragonball manga chapters? In that case, DB Super chapters don't fit into manga canon simply because they're also manga. That is fallacious reasoning, because for something to be canon has nothing to do with the medium that the fiction is in.sintzu wrote:He writes the main plot and designs the characters.
Db doesn't have one canon so each of the 3 fit in a different canon :
The movies fit in the movie canon
The chapters fit in the manga canon
Super fits in Kai's canon.
By the same reasoning, movies fit in the movie canon, but only by themselves, not including the other movies with Broly and stuff.
Super does not fit into Kai's canon. It fits into the manga canon with the previous Dragonball manga, because Toriyama did not write Kai.
The way we decide something is canon or not is easy:
1. Did the author write the plot it? (Dragonball manga, BoG, RoF and Super were written by him)
2. If the author wrote the plot it, did he remake it? (BoG and RoF are eliminated because they were remade)
The original manga and Dragon Ball Super fit into the same canon. Toriyama is retelling the stories of BoG and RoF in Dragon Ball Super, so Super takes priority in the canon. Dragonball Kai, the original Dragonball Z, Dragonball GT, the movies, BoG and RoF are not canon.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
The way I look at is that the Universe 6 saga can be canon to the movies as long if that saga does not have flash backs or any mentions of the retelling of BOG and ROF. I don't view Super's take on BOG and ROF as canon to the manga because they seem like they where done by Toei. Toriyama was probably like "You can retell the last two movies on whatever way you want while I work on story ideas for future story arcs". Goku mentions that he heard the 12 universes before in the Super manga while Beerus never mentions them in the Super version of BOG.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
We don't know that. It seems to be the opposite, actually.Chiki wrote:Toriyama is retelling the stories of BoG and RoF in Dragon Ball Super, so Super takes priority in the canon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
All Toriyama needs to do is submit some character art, send Totoyaro and Toei a manuscript of what he wants to see in this new series and wait for that check in the mail. No way in hell at his age, Toriyama is going to write x amount of script pages for every episode of the series
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
I don't think TOEI will change what Toriyama wants for the new material. He's writing the plot and making character designs, they won't make big changes in it.
He's not involved at all on Super's adaptation of BoG and RoF, he's focused on writing the new sagas.
He's not involved at all on Super's adaptation of BoG and RoF, he's focused on writing the new sagas.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
Toriyama is doing the basic outline of plot and character designs of Super from the Universe 6 arc and beyond, as far as I know.
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Toriyama is most likely sending in character designs, and pages with bullets like this:
- Have Goku heal himself when impaled by Beerus.
- Goku's SSG time limit is up and he reverts to normal SSJ (but is still as strong as SSG)
- Beerus falls asleep right as he is about to destroy earth.
It's probably something like that and Toei run's wild with the rest of it, as said above I can't imagine Toriyama at his age writing a script of every line said in the Anime.
For the most post I think he did for the movies, but for Super he just gave them bulletins like that and turned them loose. The entire series is most likely going to be like this, even the U6 arc, he may just send them bulletins and to hell with another movie. The whole point of the movies in my opinion were to light a fire under DBZ fans, and get them excited for Super. The reason they didn't start Super with the U6 arc is because you'd be completely lost if you hadn't watched the movies. I think the only future movies we are going to see are the normal non-canonical ones like Broly's. Before someone jumps on me over the canonical thing, I mean it didn't happen in the current anime's story as of yet, not that it never happened in some alternate timeline. For the most part, It will probably get to the point where Toei just takes it over when he run's out of ideas.
- Have Goku heal himself when impaled by Beerus.
- Goku's SSG time limit is up and he reverts to normal SSJ (but is still as strong as SSG)
- Beerus falls asleep right as he is about to destroy earth.
It's probably something like that and Toei run's wild with the rest of it, as said above I can't imagine Toriyama at his age writing a script of every line said in the Anime.
For the most post I think he did for the movies, but for Super he just gave them bulletins like that and turned them loose. The entire series is most likely going to be like this, even the U6 arc, he may just send them bulletins and to hell with another movie. The whole point of the movies in my opinion were to light a fire under DBZ fans, and get them excited for Super. The reason they didn't start Super with the U6 arc is because you'd be completely lost if you hadn't watched the movies. I think the only future movies we are going to see are the normal non-canonical ones like Broly's. Before someone jumps on me over the canonical thing, I mean it didn't happen in the current anime's story as of yet, not that it never happened in some alternate timeline. For the most part, It will probably get to the point where Toei just takes it over when he run's out of ideas.
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Re: How involved is Toriyama in Super?
Toriyama's involvement with Super sounds more and more like his involvement with GT.
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