Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[DBZAOTA482]

21st Budokai
Goku - 65
Kuririn - 45
Yamcha - 21
Roshi - 65
Bacterian - 14
Ranfan - 6
Namu - 58
Giran - 37
Mr. Satan - 7
Videl - 8

This, of course, following scouter numbers...

[ahill1]

21st Budokai
Goku - 65
Kuririn - 45
Yamcha - 21
Roshi - 65
Bacterian - 14
Ranfan - 6
Namu - 53
Giran - 37
Mr. Satan - 7
Videl - 8

This, of course, following scouter numbers...

Ran Fuan is way too small; her punchs hurt Namu; In addition she managed to dodge a serious attack of Namu.

The distance between Goku and Namu is too large. They had a fight pretty evenly, with Goku winning in the details.

[ZombieVito]

How strong do you guys put the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai constestants? And how do Mr. Satan and and Videl stack up against them?

Goku: 32 --> 320 [Oozaru]
Kuririn: 24
Yamcha: 18
Roshi: 35 --> 45 [Buff]
Bscterian: 12
Ranfan: 13
Namu: 28
Giran: 21
Mr. Satan: 6.66
Videl: 7 --> 20

[Khin]

How strong do you guys put the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai constestants? And how do Mr. Satan and and Videl stack up against them?

Goku: 32 --> 320 [Oozaru]
Kuririn: 24
Yamcha: 18
Roshi: 35 --> 45 [Buff]
Bscterian: 12
Ranfan: 13
Namu: 28
Giran: 21
Mr. Satan: 6.66
Videl: 7 --> 20

Did Videl even get stronger by Gohan's training? i think she just learned how to control her Ki.

[ahill1]

How strong do you guys put the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai constestants? And how do Mr. Satan and and Videl stack up against them?

Goku: 32 --> 320 [Oozaru]
Kuririn: 24
Yamcha: 18
Roshi: 35 --> 45 [Buff]
Bscterian: 12
Ranfan: 13
Namu: 28
Giran: 21
Mr. Satan: 6.66
Videl: 7 --> 20

Too big the gap between Goku and Namu; If Namu were 87.5% of Goku the latter would pretty much dominate the fight, but they fight pretty evenly.

Roshi stronger than Goku? By a 9% gap? no boy... They fought almost evenly, and seemed even Goku had the advantage in a few moments. You don't put to sleep a weaker opponent. They must be equal, or maybe Goku should has the edge.

[ZombieVito]

How strong do you guys put the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai constestants? And how do Mr. Satan and and Videl stack up against them?

Goku: 32 --> 320 [Oozaru]
Kuririn: 24
Yamcha: 18
Roshi: 35 --> 45 [Buff]
Bscterian: 12
Ranfan: 13
Namu: 28
Giran: 21
Mr. Satan: 6.66
Videl: 7 --> 20

Did Videl even get stronger by Gohan's training? i think she just learned how to control her Ki.

If you train your Ki you do get stronger. I personally have her at that level but she could easily just increase a couple of points and not even reach BoD Goku.

[DanielSSJ]

Mr. Satan: 6.66

I see what you did there.

This is what I have for the 21st Budokai contestants (based on Begining of Dragon Ball Goku being 10)
Son Goku - 65
Muten Roshi - 62 -------> 93 (bulked up) -------> 186 (Kamehameha)
Kuririn - 44
Yamcha - 31
Namu - 58
Giran - 36
Ranfan - 6(I just can't see her beating BoDB Goku. Do you think she could pick up a car?)
Bacterian - 15
Mr. Satan - 6.66(I couldn't resist)
Videl - 8 -------> 12

Since the majority of fighters at this point can't use Ki(and those who can are limited to using basic Ki blasts), power levels aren't that big of a determiner of how someone performs in a fight. It comes down to power, speed, skill, and unique characteristics, among other things. For example, Ranfan was only able to compete with Namu because of her using sex appeal. But if she went up against someone as naive and clueles as Goku, she would get knocked out instantly.

[DBZAOTA482]

21st Budokai
Goku - 65
Kuririn - 45
Yamcha - 21
Roshi - 65
Bacterian - 14
Ranfan - 6
Namu - 53
Giran - 37
Mr. Satan - 7
Videl - 8

This, of course, following scouter numbers...

Ran Fuan is way too small; her punchs hurt Namu; In addition she managed to dodge a serious attack of Namu.

The distance between Goku and Namu is too large. They had a fight pretty evenly, with Goku winning in the details.

Fix'd.

Also, Ranfan used her sexuality to make Namu drop his guard. Trunks sent Fat Boo flying with a kick, does that mean Trunks' anywhere near Boo's strength? I don't think their fight was meant to be taken literally.

[DBZAOTA482]

Dragon Ball Power Level list (Without official numbers)

Note: Power level measures ki and potential combat capabilities so having great physical strength does not automatically give you a high power level.

Average human: 2.5-5
Average human: 2.5-5
(Reference- Farmer: 5)

The Saga of Son Goku

Goku: 20
200 (Oozaru)
Bulma: 2
Oolong: 1
Yamcha: 17
Muten Roshi: 139 (base)
250 (Maxed-out)
Note: he stays this way up till the 22nd Budokai.
Chi-Chi: 12 (base)
Gyumao (Ox-King): 80
Bear Thief: 7

21st Budokai

Goku: 16 (pre-training; no tail)
105 (post-training; no tail)
139
Krillin: 14 (pre-training)
100
Yamcha: 37
Jackie Chun: 139 (base)
250 (Maxed-out)
Nam: 125
Ranfan: 6.5
Bacterian: 30
Giran: 80
Preliminary fighters: 25

Red Ribbon Army Saga

Goku: 170 (Pre-Korin training)
400
Krillin: 100
Colonel Silver: 80
Ninja Murasaki: 25
General White: 20
General Blue: 125
Tao Pai Pai: 370

Uranai Baba Palace

Yamcha: 37
Akkuman: 110
Mummy-kun: 150
Grandpa Gohan: 380

22nd Budokai

Goku: 650 (Match-level; toying)
1,250 (Match-level; serious)
1,550
Krillin: 600
Yamcha: 580
Jackie Chun: 800 (toying)
1,200
Chiaotzu: 500
Tenshinhan: 950 (non-serious)
1,500
King Chappa: 480
Man-wolf: 50
Pamput: 80
Crane Master: 900


Piccolo Daimao Saga

Goku: 1,550 (Pre-Sacred Water)
16,000
Yajirobe: 1,000
Cymbal: 500
Tamborine: 1,300
Piccolo Daimao: 4,000 (old; <50%)
8,000 (old)
15,000
Drum: 2,500

23rd Budokai

Goku: 23,000 (weighted)
50,000 (unweighted)
100,000
Krillin: 12,500
Yamcha: 12,000
Tenshinhan: 20,000
Chi-Chi: 8,000
Chiaotzu: 5,000
Yajirobe: 6,000
Kami: 60,000 (Shen)
80,000
Cyborg Tao: 10,000
Piccolo: 22,500 (initial)
65,000 (suppressed)
100,000
King Chappa: 1,000

I might do one with official numbers and DBZ power levels later.

[LightBing]

How about some hypothetical numbers:

Prime Master Roshi - 185
Prime Tsuru-Sennin - 172
Mutaito - 160
Nameless Namekian(Before split) - 950
Prime Grandpa Gohan - 175
Prime Gyuumao - 80

What do you guys have?

[Sandubadear]

How about some hypothetical numbers:

Prime Master Roshi - 185
Prime Tsuru-Sennin - 172
Mutaito - 160
Nameless Namekian(Before split) - 950
Prime Grandpa Gohan - 175
Prime Gyuumao - 80

What do you guys have?

Nail and the Grand Elder said the Nameless Namekian could have defeated Freeza, isn't it?

[LightBing]

How about some hypothetical numbers:

Prime Master Roshi - 185
Prime Tsuru-Sennin - 172
Mutaito - 160
Nameless Namekian(Before split) - 950
Prime Grandpa Gohan - 175
Prime Gyuumao - 80

What do you guys have?

Nail and the Grand Elder said the Nameless Namekian could have defeated Freeza, isn't it?

Yup, the Grand Elder said it while reading Kuririn's mind. I take it as an evaluation of it's potential.
Even if he is a prodigy, the Nameless Namekian didn't have any training partners or great methods that we know off. He's like Goku; from a strong race but without the means to achieve all he could. Plus this was 300 years ago.

[Sandubadear]

How about some hypothetical numbers:

Prime Master Roshi - 185
Prime Tsuru-Sennin - 172
Mutaito - 160
Nameless Namekian(Before split) - 950
Prime Grandpa Gohan - 175
Prime Gyuumao - 80

What do you guys have?

Nail and the Grand Elder said the Nameless Namekian could have defeated Freeza, isn't it?

Yup, the Grand Elder said it while reading Kuririn's mind. I take it as an evaluation of it's potential.
Even if he is a prodigy, the Nameless Namekian didn't have any training partners or great methods that we know off. He's like Goku; from a strong race but without the means to achieve all he could. Plus this was 300 years ago.

well, Broly was born with 10,000 and at 30 years old he was stronger than Freeza by far, and Nameless Namekian was about 20 when he landed on Earth, so I just take it literally. The rest of the numbers are fine, though I would put Gohan a little lower than that.

[RandomGuy96]

How strong do you guys put the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai constestants? And how do Mr. Satan and and Videl stack up against them?

Goku: 24
Kuririn: 16
Yamcha: 15
Roshi: 25
Bacterian: 12
Namu: 21
Giran: 29
Mr. Satan: 5
Videl: 6.66

[LightBing]

well, Broly was born with 10,000 and at 30 years old he was stronger than Freeza by far, and Nameless Namekian was about 20 when he landed on Earth, so I just take it literally. The rest of the numbers are fine, though I would put Gohan a little lower than that.

I went to check the quote of the Great Elder, I misremember it. Here are both the quote of the Grand Elder and Nail:

Spoiler:

Chapter: 265 (DBZ 71), P2.5-7
Context: Kuririn explained to the Great Elder how the child of Katatz came to be on Earth.
Great Elder: “You speak as though the child died… Was it old age…? Or was he killed…?”
Kuririn: “Killed. By a Saiyan called Vegeta…who’s here right now…”
Great Elder: “By a Saiyan…? It is true that Saiyans are terrible, but…but to have killed that prodigy of the Dragon Clan… …Is it possible that he was…a Super Saiyan…?”

Chapter: 265 (DBZ 71), P3.4-5
Context: the Great Elder reads Kuririn’s mind and learns of God and Piccolo.
Great Elder: “Hmf! He split in two, long ago…after evil entered into him! How foolish… He diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth! If he had come back together as one, he might not have had to die…”

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P1.4, P2.1-5, P3.1
Nail: “I-I’m astonished…I don’t know what kind of training you’ve done, but you’ve acquired unbelievable power…Still, it’s unfortunate…If you had only returned to the original, single Namekian you were, you might have been able to defeat even Freeza…”
Piccolo: “Are you saying that if I merged with God once again, my power would even surpass Freeza!?”
Nail: “Th-that’s right…I was overwhelmingly defeated by Freeza, but I should have a good comprehension of his abilities…[ ] So merge with me…! I’m also the only fighting-type Namekian on this planet…[ ] That’s right…Your power will become many times greater…”
Piccolo: “…You’re not lying, are you?”
Nail: “If you think so, you can just go get killed by Freeza…”

So it appears that without knowing of his training in Kaio, the Grand Elder believed the Nameless Namekian to be strong enough to defeat Vegeta.
Nail after feeling Piccolo's newfound power, thought that if he joined with Kami he might have defeated the Freeza who dominated him; meaning First Form Freeza.

From all this it appears to me that, how strong the current parts are is of great importance. 300 years ago, Piccolo Daimao and Kami should haven been around 200 - 500 in power. So going by this I would have the Nameless Namekian at 1.800 - 2.600. Seems the better guess.

[Sandubadear]

Same power as an average Warrior, who are supposed to be stronger than the Dragon Clansmen, so you're probably right.

[Blackstripe]

I'm curious regarding you're 21st TB numbers, do mind sharing them?

Why, certainly my good man.

I'll, in fact, go a step further and give you a few pre-21st TB numbers for reference.

Start of Dragon Ball:

Son Gokuu - 12
Yamucha - 10
Kuririn - 9.5

21st Tenkaichi Budokai:

Son Gokuu (with tail) - 23.5
Kuririn - 18
Nam - 21
Giran - 14
Ranfan - 11
Bacterian - 11.8
Yamucha - 15.5
Jackie Chun - 23
-Max Power Kamehameha = 300+

Why do you have Chi Chi so weak? And wow, Yamcha did massive gains in these 5 years, so did Kuririn. And I think the gap between Kuririn and Yamcha is too big; I think I have Yamcha at 96% of Kuririn.

As you can see in the above list, Chi Chi isn't weak at all. She is in fact physically stronger than any 21st tournament participant. She just didn't train with any Gods. As for Yamucha? No. No he's not anywhere close to being Kuririn's equal. I may not be the biggest Kuririn fan, but damn it, he's not Yamucha!

[LightBing]

Why, certainly my good man.

I'll, in fact, go a step further and give you a few pre-21st TB numbers for reference.

Start of Dragon Ball:

Son Gokuu - 12
Yamucha - 10
Kuririn - 9.5

21st Tenkaichi Budokai:

Son Gokuu (with tail) - 23.5
Kuririn - 18
Nam - 21
Giran - 14
Ranfan - 11
Bacterian - 11.8
Yamucha - 15.5
Jackie Chun - 23
-Max Power Kamehameha = 300+

Interesting, I guess your numbers don't contradict Piccolo Daimao statement of using less than half of his power against Goku.

[Blackstripe]

Interesting, I guess your numbers don't contradict Piccolo Daimao statement of using less than half of his power against Goku.

Nope. I designed them not to.

For the record:

Son Gokuu (22nd TB) - 45

[Noah]

So a MAX Power Kamehameha could be enough to defeat Piccolo Daimao?