Vegeta vs Goku: Who was the true winner?

[Anonymous Friend]

Vegeat and Goku have gone at twice from my count. And I personally believe that Vegeta came out on top in both instances. In the Saiyan Saga, they may have been pretty closely match but I say that Vegeta defeated him. I base this on the fact that at the end of their fight Vegeta is still moving around and Goku isn't.

In the Majin Buu Saga, with Goku at Super Saiyan 2 and a ho-Majin-ised Vegeta duke it out and even though the match isn't as serious as their first bout, their going at it pretty hard. Again I give the victory to Vegeta because he flies of leaving a knocked out Goku behind.

The main question I'm asking is: Why is Vegeta so hell bent on defeated Goku if both times they've squared off, he's left the fight on his feet while Goku couldn't move at all?

[ChibiKenji]

Goku won their first fight. Vegeta was trying to conquer the Earth, Goku was protecting it; Vegeta fled the Earth, licking his wounds. He might have been in better physical shape than Goku at the end of their bout, but Goku was the one that achieved his objective.

As for the second fight, neither won it. The problem with saying that Vegeta left while Goku was unconcious is that the fight was already over by that point - they'd both agreed to postpone the match 'til a later, more suitable, time, after which Vegeta hit Goku while his back was turned. Vegeta couldn't have won the fight, because there was no fight: it'd already finished.

[BrollysKin]

I believe that Goku would have prevailed in the 2nd fight. He even admitted that he had the super saiyan 3 up his sleeve if he needed it. Also Goku claimed he could have beaten Majin Buu in SS3 if he had really wanted too, while Vegeta tried is damndest and yet failed to prevail.

[Duo]

Vegeta won their first bout, according to Goku. It's true. Once Vegeta transformed, he destroyed Goku utterly. All the fighting after that had no Goku in it. He was out of the war, so Vegeta's condition and retreat had pretty little to do with Goku.

2nd...never finished.

Goku has never directy beat Vegeta in combat. He has, however, beaten him indirectly numberous times, which is what irritates Vegeta. He was able to surpass Vegeta's untransformed state using the Kaio-ken x3 which Vegeta was no fan of. He later tore apart the Ginyu Special Force and then was the one to best Freeza and first to become the Super Saiyan. Then he saved Vegeta's life when Cell was self-destructing, and through his son also completely surpassed Vegeta.

He also had sympathy for him when Vegeta was retreating from earth.

Of course, I can only hope everyone already knew and fully understood all of this.

[SylentEcho]

In the Saiya-Jin arc the fight was won by Vegeta IMO. He destroyed Goku in every way, Goku had to use such a high kai-o-ken before Vegeta transformed into Oozaru.

Goku was done for, Vegeta was only blinded in one eye and had broken Goku's back and crushed his and was about to finish him off until Krillin, Yajarobi and Gohan made the save. Thats cheating in my book.

I remember how frustrated I was all those years back when his tail was cut off...damn!

[Pieter]

Goku was done for, Vegeta was only blinded in one eye and had broken Goku's back and crushed his and was about to finish him off until Krillin, Yajarobi and Gohan made the save. Thats cheating in my book.

He wasn't done for, he said that with the spirit bomb he would be able to finish off Vegeta.

[Maphisto86]

Still counts as done for in my opinion. For one the Spirit Bomb is a technique independent of one's own strength. So technically Goku would not have been able to defeat him on his own. Secondly, all is fair in war . Goku might have been able to destroy Vegeta using the spirit bomb even when the saiyan prince was an Oozaru. Yet Vegeta managed to stop him so really Vegeta won.

As for Goku and Vegeta's rematch in the Buu saga I think they where very much even. Who knows what might have happened had the battle continued. To me it was a draw through and through. What if Goku had turned SSj3 does not count because he didn't (and it might have even been a liability if he stayed in that form too long). Goku had the potential to beat Vegeta but because of the power up thanks to becoming a Majin the saiyan prince managed to bridge the gap between him and his rival at SSj2. Now I know I said all is fair in war (and for some cruel reason, love ) but Vegeta's "stab in the back" by knocking out Goku was after the battle was concluded. To me it didn't count as a "victory" but I will let you all decide for yourselves since the arguement could go either way.

[the_abberration]

The first round does go to Vegeta. Here's my reason why:

Goku: Sh-shut up... Vegeta...You beat me... You were stronger than I or anybody else..thought...

At that point Gohan, Yajirobe, and Kuririn got involved to hand Vegeta his "defeat".

The second round never saw a conclusion. They were evenly matched (Goku held back on SSJ3 to keep the fight fair) and when they sensed Buu's power, they both agreed to put their fight on hold to deal with it.

The main question I'm asking is: Why is Vegeta so hell bent on defeated Goku if both times they've squared off, he's left the fight on his feet while Goku couldn't move at all?

In the first fight even though Vegeta escaped, it was the first time he was taken to the limit. Remember he had:

a) been caused to bleed by a low class Saiya-jin.

b) had to transform to become stronger than a low class Saiya-jin.

c) forced to retreat from a battle with a low class Saiya-jin.

It was all about the pride.

In the second fight as I stated above, it never saw a real conclusion.

[Rocketman]

He wasn't done for, he said that with the spirit bomb he would be able to finish off Vegeta.

His arms were broken, he couldn't throw the Spirit Bomb.

[Sun_Wukong]

Pretty much, Vegeta crushed Goku's body. I wouldve loved to see Oozaru Vegeta and Oozaru Goku go at it, but goddamn Kami had to pull his tail out.

[MysticGohan]

This isn't a question that needs much debate: Vegeta won the first fight plain and simple if you cant read the manga, watch the anime nothing short of a senzu or a miracle would bring Goku back into the fight.

The second fight was a...draw. The fact that Goku can go SSj3 doesn't make a difference but they both agreed to postpone the fight 'til later to which Vegeta sucker punched him. This is your Prince of all Saiyans? How can you say Vegeta won when Goku wasn't fighting back?! If you're asking whose stronger or who'd eventually win: yeah Goku.

I'm sure if Vegeta could reply to this thread it'd be some self-pitying monologue on how its not fair a low class saiyan surpassed him and how he cant take it. And I'm sure the water works would start too. Sounds like he needs a psychiatrist and maybe Goku as a personal trainer

Pretty much, Vegeta crushed Goku's body. I wouldve loved to see Oozaru Vegeta and Oozaru Goku go at it, but goddamn Kami had to pull his tail out.

What did you say? Goku couldn't control himself in oozaru form but I'm sure you already knew that...

[Maphisto86]

This isn't a question that needs much debate: Vegeta won the first fight plain and simple if you cant read the manga, watch the anime nothing short of a senzu or a miracle would bring Goku back into the fight.

The second fight was a...draw. The fact that Goku can go SSj3 doesn't make a difference but they both agreed to postpone the fight 'til later to which Vegeta sucker punched him. This is your Prince of all Saiyans? How can you say Vegeta won when Goku wasn't fighting back?! If you're asking whose stronger or who'd eventually win: yeah Goku.

I'm sure if Vegeta could reply to this thread it'd be some self-pitying monologue on how its not fair a low class saiyan surpassed him and how he cant take it. And I'm sure the water works would start too. Sounds like he needs a psychiatrist and maybe Goku as a personal trainer

Pretty much, Vegeta crushed Goku's body. I wouldve loved to see Oozaru Vegeta and Oozaru Goku go at it, but goddamn Kami had to pull his tail out.

What did you say? Goku couldn't control himself in oozaru form but I'm sure you already knew that...

Not much a fan of Vegeta are you? That's ok I can see many reasons why.

Anyway I also personally believe that the second fight is more debatable then the first. I mean the first confrontation between Vegeta and Goku becomes lopsided in Vegeta's favour when he transforms (which is why I am an Oozaru fan). It is obvious that without the heroic effort of Goku's friends Kuririn, (to a slightly lesser extent) Yajirobe and his son Gohan, that our hero would have been slaughtered by his opponent.

In the Buu saga however Goku and Vegeta are almost completley equal (which is a fact I remember Goku saying). Vegeta became a majin being and closed the gap with his rival. However what I want to know is could Goku have defeated Vegeta had the battle continued? Would it be vice-versa? What if after discovering Vegeta's true power, Goku decided to reveal SSJ3? If that's so would he be able to beat Vegeta or would the drain SSJ3 has on the body become a liability to Goku?

[BROLEROT]

In the first fight Goku was stronger than vegeta until the point were vegeta transformed . After that goku didn't have much chance especially with his new skill straining his body.In the second fight the battle never reached a conclusion.If they did continue I think Goku could have finished it very quickly with his ss3 form . When they were ss2 it was pretty much even.

[Conan the SSJ]

This is my opinion and point of view on the matter.

Goku won the first fight. While Goku was thrashed way more than Vegeta on a physical level, he shattered his pride to a point where Vegeta would be obsessed with defeating him for over a decade. Kakarrot, a low-class Saiyan, beat the living hell out of Vegeta at Kaioken x3, which is technically an expansion of Goku's own power. With the Kamehame-Ha/Galick-Ho duel, Goku proved he could best Vegeta and this forced the prince to resort to transforming into his Oozaru status. While Oozaru-Vegeta clearly had the upper hand, to the point where he knocked the major portion of Goku's Genki-dama out of his hand, "Kakarrot" still held his own. Even showing his own pride when he cracked his right eye. Sure, Gohan, Kuririn, and Yajirobe came to aid him, but it was ultimately the rest of Goku's Genki-dama that knocked the main drive of Vegeta's energy and nearly killed him (which is one thing Vegeta would still remember by the second duel). Even in the end, Vegeta's the one that ran, Goku didn't run and he was still conscious and alive as Vegeta departed.

First round winner = Goku.

Vegeta won the second round. While the Super Saiyan 2s were evenly matched to the point where they could fight on hours upon hours, I believe Vegeta's whole "postponing" was just a ploy so he could end the fight and become the victor. He caught Goku off guard, knocking him out (if he weren't dead, Goku'd probably be killed). Considering Vegeta sacrificed his life against Buu, full well believing he'd never meet with Goku in the afterlife, he must've known deep inside that this battle was his victory.

Second round winner = Vegeta.

Keep in mind guys, that's just my opinion. I'm entitled to think who won just like the rest of you. Heck, for a third round, there's always Goku Vs. Bebi-Vegeta in GT.

[Maphisto86]

While I don't completley agree with you Conan I like your reasons for your opinions. In a way Goku did win... he definitley was the victor against Vegeta while the saiyan prince was in his normal state. It was only the Oozaru form that turned the tide in Vegeta's favour. I also like how you mention that Goku held out despite Vegeta's merciless assault. I actually laughed when I first saw the anime episode when Goku blasted Vegeta's eye. Even though he was broken and beaten Goku still stuck it to his oppressor which shows his lack of fear and his iron will to fight.

As for the second fight, I truly believe there was no victory. I think Vegeta was satisfied that he injured Goku and pushed him to the edge. Perhaps this was enough for his wounded pride. I also would like to think that in his final moments before he destroyed himself that Vegeta finally changed and was thinking of his family and "even you Kakarot" where his hatred of Goku changed to a strong sense of respect... though Vegeta would always be annoyed by him. As Piccolo pointed out to Kuririn... "He is now fighting for something other than himself" (great line... what does Piccolo say originally? Please PM if you have the answer).

In the end though I think you bring up some damn fine points Conan. You actually made me see the first fight between Goku and Vegeta in a slightly new light.

[Victator Supreme]

Now to anybody watching Vegeta won In Vegeta's mind Goku defeated him when he failed to kill him. Goku was a low leval and a coward, while Vegeta was the elite, and he still could not win. He was even forced to transform.

Also I'm guessing losing a fight to two humans and a half breed mongrel doesn't exactly make him giddy.

[Mr.Piccolo]

Hi, My name is Rick and this is my story:

Superfight I: Goku vs. Vegeta
Vegeta was obviously superior to Goku in their first fight. Vegeta was still about to toy with Goku after Goku doubled his power. One more time: Two Gokus weren't enough for Vegeta. Goku was able to damage Vegeta only after tripling his power. Vegeta goes Oozaru and his triple teamed, hit with a spirit bomb, and later crushed by a Oozaru himself and still survives. With all of that being said, Vegeta going Oozaru wasn't fair? Ha! I'll repeat it: There is nothing fair in war and that's what it was. A war between two saiyans. Calling Vegeta's oozaru transformation unfair is calling super saiyan and kaioken unfair too.

The Winner: Vegeta
Reason: He was the better fighter, Goku and King Kai said so.


Superfight II: Goku vs. Vegeta... again
(Look at it from this angle: Not knowing that SSj3 existed) If you were following the series as it came out, from the clues that you were given by Goku and the others, you would see (SSj2) Goku and (Majin) Vegeta were equal. Trunks, Goten, Gohan, and even the Kaioshin said so. IMHO, the match is dead even. Now if you put SSj3 into the equation, Goku would obviously win but the biggest blow to Vegeta is that Goku didn't think Vegeta was worth the trouble of going SSj3.. ouch.

The Winner: (Neither)
Reason: They were dead even.

[mAcChaos]

The reason Vegeta is so obsessed with his so-called "victories" is because they weren't actually victories—they were defeats.

In the first fight, Vegeta was at his prime, he was whole levels beyond Goku—he should've had an easy cleanup job on his hands. The standards are different for them. Vegeta is the guy that's supposed to have no problem, Goku is the one who's supposed to be struggling. Vegeta was made a fool of and would've died. It doesn't matter that Goku's friends came; as we said, this is war, and all is fair. His objective was to destroy the Earth: in the end, he failed and Goku saved it, and not only that, his life was spared by Goku.

The second fight was a draw, but Goku would've ultimately won since he had SSJ3. He never thought it was worth using though.

And Vegeta didn't go on to knock out Goku and fight Fat Buu because he thought he'd finally proven he was better than Goku. It was the complete opposite. In addition to being beat in the past, he also had the even greater weight of having his life saved twice by Goku. He wanted to repay Goku, and be the hero for once, especially since as he says, Buu's release was his fault.

[TheMajinRedComet]

Even if Goku went SSJ3 in their second fight, my money would still be on vegeta considering Goku could only use it for like 20 minutes. If all else failed vegeta could have blown himself up fighting Goku.

[desirecampbell]

Even if Goku went SSJ3 in their second fight, my money would still be on vegeta considering Goku could only use it for like 20 minutes. If all else failed vegeta could have blown himself up fighting Goku.

I don't think Goku would have needed twenty minutes at SSj3 to defeat Vegeta.