Yamcha Question

BROLEROT · Post by **BROLEROT** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:30 am

There was an episode I watched ,it was during the three years of training before the androids came.In this episode Yamcha was jealous that Bulma was with Vegeta or something and he tried to prove he could handle the gravity Vegeta was training under. I think he entered the Gravity room and was nearly killed by the force exerted on him. What gravity was the room set at was it 300 times earths gravity? What sort of PL was Yamcha at (he should only have been a few thousand but then there was that plot hole where he could handle himself against the ginyu suggesting his pl was much greater.He had been training further since then i guess also).

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:25 am

It was during the 3 years training for the androids arrival.

Realistically, going by Toei DBZ, Yamcha should have probably exploded or something. Considering Goku couldn't tolerate 100g at first in that one filler episode where he goes through the magnetic storm on his way to Namek. How the hell could a presumably much weaker Yamcha handle 300g?

I can't remember the exact gravity, though, sorry.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:31 am

Undercooked Sausage wrote: Realistically, going by Toei DBZ, Yamcha should have probably exploded or something. Considering Goku couldn't tolerate 100g at first in that one filler episode where he goes through the magnetic storm on his way to Namek. How the hell could a presumably much weaker Yamcha handle 300g?

We don't know how strong Yamcha was at that point. He could very well have been stronger than Goku was when he arrived on Namek. He was training with Kaio.

For reference, Piccolo was training for less time, and alone, and when merged with Nail (40,000 when he wasn't dying) he was able to put a second-form Freeza to test (though I doubt he was stronger, he was probably close to Freeza's "more than one million").

Because Yamcha presumably kept training during the extra 130 days, we can assume he was far beyond what Piccolo was when he returned to life.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:43 am

desirecampbell wrote:Because Yamcha presumably kept training during the extra 130 days, we can assume he was far beyond what Piccolo was when he returned to life.

WELL IF YOU- Sorry about that, caps lock can be a bit annoying.. ^^; Well if you look at how Piccolo trains, you'll see that he usually does the whole meditation thing and sometimes, in filler and most likely in RoSaT, he splits form.

With that being said, how strong can you get from mostly meditating? Piccolo was pretty strong when he was fighting Gero and his training was mainly sparring with Goku and Gohan...When dead, Yamcha and the others were doing more especially if you want to consider the Ginyu Force part of their training. Is Yamcha.. underrated?!
-Rick

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:51 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:With that being said, how strong can you get from mostly meditating? Piccolo was pretty strong when he was fighting Gero and his training was mainly sparring with Goku and Gohan...When dead, Yamcha and the others were doing more especially if you want to consider the Ginyu Force part of their training. Is Yamcha.. underrated?!
-Rick

Looking at how cowardly he got when Super Buu showed up, considering Kuririn and Tien were at least willing to defend the Earth with what power they had, Yamcha eventually became a pussy.

*Hears Kuririn being turned to chocolate*

Yamcha: "Kuririn!!"

*Still running for his life, not turning around to defend his friends*

Anyone else remember that classic line of Goku's in Curse of the Blood Rubies? "Well, I don't care how strong you are, Lambchop!"

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:58 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:Looking at how cowardly he got when Super Buu showed up, considering Kuririn and Tenshinhan were at least willing to defend the Earth with what power they had, Yamcha eventually became a pussy.

I think he was angry with Toriyama and figured if Goku and Vejita could be offed, he didn't stand much chance. Besides, poor bastard got a hand punched through him and his arm broken during the Cell/Jinzoningen Arc ;p

Still, poor Yamcha and the others got seriously neglected once the SSJ thing came about. Too bad, as the Kaioken could have been useful in their case.

*imagines a Kaioken Kikoho or Sokidan*

w00t.

-Corey

tainted saiyan · Post by **tainted saiyan** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:22 pm

Speaking of which, could Yamcha or Tien tap into even the first level of Kaioken, without their bodies giving into the pressure?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:24 pm

tainted saiyan wrote:Speaking of which, could Yamcha or Tenshinhan tap into even the first level of Kaioken, without their bodies giving into the pressure?

I would assume so. Considering all of the training they've done, especially Ten, they should be able to withstand several levels.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:24 pm

tainted saiyan wrote:Speaking of which, could Yamcha or Tenshinhan tap into even the first level of Kaioken, without their bodies giving into the pressure?

I'd guess Tenshinhan could, purely speculating though. Kaioken seems to require a degree of both mental and physical focus, and while I'm not sure Yamcha could do it (given his fleeting interest in fighting later on in the series), I think Ten could.

Oh, the possibilities GT had and squandered...

-Corey

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:26 pm

tainted saiyan wrote:Speaking of which, could Yamcha or Tenshinhan tap into even the first level of Kaioken, without their bodies giving into the pressure?

Probably, I mean they obviously surpassed King Kai who didn't master it. I like to think Tenshinhan can do it just for the fact that he was able to bother Cell and save Dende in the Buu Arc.
-Rick

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:18 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Kaioken Kikoho

I don't see that ending well for the user.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:24 pm

This is just my personal opinion, and I hate to drag battle powers into any arguement, but I don't think Yamcha was *that* weak. He did defeat Recoome after all (yeah, I know it's filler, I don't care.) and I would place his battle power anywhere around 60,000. Not ready for training at 300x gravity obviously, but I bet he would handle 100x just fine.

And remember, Caps Lock is cruise control for cool.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:37 pm

I doubt Yamcha was stronger than Goku on Namek at that point. I remember the manga narrator saying that Goku's newfound strength "surpasses even what Saiyans are supposed to be capable of", when he finally finished his gravity training.

Considering this... How could Yamcha, an Earthling, be expected to reach a level that's beyond the capabilities of Saiyans, one of the strongest warrior races in the universe, even with the training of Kaiô-sama (who, keep in mind, isn't as powerful as Saiyan-saga Vegeta)? I know they're far stronger than "normal" humans, but that just wouldn't make sense to me. They have to have some kind of limit.

I'd say that Yamcha being able to fight the Ginyu Special Force and being able to withstand 300Gs are just more filler inconsistencies. Realistically, he should've been crushed in both cases.

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:11 pm

Well, I'm sure that Yamucha and Tenshinhan would've been able to learn Kaioken, but they didn't because for plot related reasons Goku had to be special. ;D As if SSJ wasn't enough... in a sense I never liked SSJ because, as has been mentioned, half the cast became redundant once that came about. Sadly enough the half of the cast that I like the most. XD

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:21 pm

Swift wrote:I doubt Yamcha was stronger than Goku on Namek at that point. I remember the manga narrator saying that Goku's newfound strength "surpasses even what Saiyans are supposed to be capable of", when he finally finished his gravity training.

Goku battle power was measured at over 180,000, making him still far stronger than Yamcha.

Considering this... How could Yamcha, an Earthling, be expected to reach a level that's beyond the capabilities of Saiyans, one of the strongest warrior races in the universe, even with the training of Kaiô-sama (who, keep in mind, isn't as powerful as Saiyan-saga Vegeta)? I know they're far stronger than "normal" humans, but that just wouldn't make sense to me. They have to have some kind of limit.

Yamcha's battle jumping from over 1000 to over 60,000 with Kaio's training isn't anymore unlikely than Yamcha's battle power going from over 100 to over 1000 under Kami's training; which he completed in a year, unlike Goku who trained with Kami for three.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:53 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote:Yamcha's battle jumping from over 1000 to over 60,000 with Kaio's training isn't anymore unlikely than Yamcha's battle power going from over 100 to over 1000 under Kami's training; which he completed in a year, unlike Goku who trained with Kami for three.

Those jumps in power are more likely to give characters like Yamcha a fighting chance against the next threat. Yajirobe, for example, should be stronger than Goku at the 23rd Tournament but he probably isn't...
-Rick

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:57 pm

BROLEROT, you've been warned before... please watch the way you post. Everyone here agrees to the rules when they sign up, and they are expected to follow them. Please remember to type properly.

You will not be warned again.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:20 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote:This is just my personal opinion, and I hate to drag battle powers into any arguement, but I don't think Yamcha was *that* weak. He did defeat Recoome after all (yeah, I know it's filler, I don't care.) and I would place his battle power anywhere around 60,000.

A human going from 1,000 to 60,000 in just a couple of days. HA!

Goku battle power was measured at over 180,000, making him still far stronger than Yamcha.

That was with the Kaioken. Goku's base was 90,000.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:18 pm

Put it this way, Gero and #19 thought Yamcha was Son Goku. Yamcha has to be pretty strong at that point. That means Yamcha was at the very least as strong as Saiyan-saga Goku. Now Gero was a brilliant scientist, so I'm pretty sure he knows Goku would have improved and would have become much stronger than before.

Plus Yamcha easily beat Olibu and another guy at the same time, and got a good lick on a Cell Jr.

I remember this line from the FUNi dub, hah -

Krillin - "You couldn't even get him to train on Earth, but up here he's a superstar!" *sighs*

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:04 pm

Drunken Master wrote:Put it this way, Gero and #19 thought Yamcha was Son Goku. Yamcha has to be pretty strong at that point. That means Yamcha was at the very least as strong as Saiyan-saga Goku. Now Gero was a brilliant scientist, so I'm pretty sure he knows Goku would have improved and would have become much stronger than before.

I'd put Yamcha in the 10,000s at best.