Strongest humans?

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by samuo2 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:15 pm

This top cannot be absolute, because it depends of a lot of standards wich changes the number 1 of the top.

For example if we talk about his power level, it will be Uub.

If we talk about technique, skill, and endurance, il will be Krilin.

If we talk about the ratio of death in the serie, it will be Mister Satan who is the only Dragon Team's member who never die during the manga period.

If we don't include people with no natural power origin we will exclude androids and Uub.

That's all I think about it, obviously with just a general classement it will be the same as 90% of other members :thumbup:
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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by LightBing » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:46 pm

Zombie wrote:What? Someone included White and Black? :shock:
Chapter: Chapter 95, P.11.2
Context: Assistant Black states that he’s on a different level than the others, probably referring to the other high members of the Red Ribbon. But Goku’s so strong now that it's impossible to determine if that’s the truth...
Black: “Heh heh heh... You may be pretty self-confident, but this won’t go [as easily] as it did with the others before me.”

He's the strongest RR person. Makes sense for the weakling Red to keep his strongest man protecting him.
White was a simple above average person, nothing special.

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:30 am

LightBing wrote:
Zombie wrote:What? Someone included White and Black? :shock:
Chapter: Chapter 95, P.11.2
Context: Assistant Black states that he’s on a different level than the others, probably referring to the other high members of the Red Ribbon. But Goku’s so strong now that it's impossible to determine if that’s the truth...
Black: “Heh heh heh... You may be pretty self-confident, but this won’t go [as easily] as it did with the others before me.”

He's the strongest RR person. Makes sense for the weakling Red to keep his strongest man protecting him.
White was a simple above average person, nothing special.
No way, man, Black is nothing special. Blue is the strongest one from RRA.

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:14 am

samuo2 wrote:This top cannot be absolute, because it depends of a lot of standards wich changes the number 1 of the top.

For example if we talk about his power level, it will be Uub.

If we talk about technique, skill, and endurance, il will be Krilin.

If we talk about the ratio of death in the serie, it will be Mister Satan who is the only Dragon Team's member who never die during the manga period.

If we don't include people with no natural power origin we will exclude androids and Uub.

That's all I think about it, obviously with just a general classement it will be the same as 90% of other members :thumbup:
Nah, the title says it all. "strongest humans" (excluding cyborgs & characters whose strength we don''t know about).
UUB is a special mention. I'm going to prepare a list tomorrow from whatever lists everyone here posts.
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Zombie wrote:What? Someone included White and Black? :shock:
Chapter: Chapter 95, P.11.2
Context: Assistant Black states that he’s on a different level than the others, probably referring to the other high members of the Red Ribbon. But Goku’s so strong now that it's impossible to determine if that’s the truth...
Black: “Heh heh heh... You may be pretty self-confident, but this won’t go [as easily] as it did with the others before me.”

He's the strongest RR person. Makes sense for the weakling Red to keep his strongest man protecting him.
White was a simple above average person, nothing special.
No way, man, Black is nothing special. Blue is the strongest one from RRA.
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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by LightBing » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:30 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:
LightBing wrote:
Zombie wrote:What? Someone included White and Black? :shock:
Chapter: Chapter 95, P.11.2
Context: Assistant Black states that he’s on a different level than the others, probably referring to the other high members of the Red Ribbon. But Goku’s so strong now that it's impossible to determine if that’s the truth...
Black: “Heh heh heh... You may be pretty self-confident, but this won’t go [as easily] as it did with the others before me.”

He's the strongest RR person. Makes sense for the weakling Red to keep his strongest man protecting him.
White was a simple above average person, nothing special.
No way, man, Black is nothing special. Blue is the strongest one from RRA.
It's a fact, he says it and proceeds to challenge Goku. No reason to think he's lying. Story wise it makes for him being the last guy and bodyguard to the boss to be the strongest. He's nothing special because at that point Goku powered up immensely.
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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:50 am

He's a staff officer, while Blue is the strongest general + special powers. Only mouse saved Goku from certain death, those powers not working on Tao is filler.

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by LightBing » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:29 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:He's a staff officer, while Blue is the strongest general + special powers. Only mouse saved Goku from certain death, those powers not working on Tao is filler.
Rank doesn't equal strength in the Red Ribbon Army. Can you provide proof the Blue is the strongest? I have a quote that contradicts your opinion. Goku surviving Blue by luck doesn't mean anything. The Goku Black fought was supremely stronger than the version that fought Blue.

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Re: Strongest humans?

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LightBing wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:He's a staff officer, while Blue is the strongest general + special powers. Only mouse saved Goku from certain death, those powers not working on Tao is filler.
Rank doesn't equal strength in the Red Ribbon Army. Can you provide proof the Blue is the strongest? I have a quote that contradicts your opinion. Goku surviving Blue by luck doesn't mean anything. The Goku Black fought was supremely stronger than the version that fought Blue.
It's hard to say, Black could just have been referring to the soldiers on the base that Goku had defeated thus far.

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:29 pm

LightBing wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:He's a staff officer, while Blue is the strongest general + special powers. Only mouse saved Goku from certain death, those powers not working on Tao is filler.
Rank doesn't equal strength in the Red Ribbon Army. Can you provide proof the Blue is the strongest? I have a quote that contradicts your opinion. Goku surviving Blue by luck doesn't mean anything. The Goku Black fought was supremely stronger than the version that fought Blue.
Why are you so defensive about this? Is it because it contradicts your made up power levels and versus lists?

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:33 pm

LightBing wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:He's a staff officer, while Blue is the strongest general + special powers. Only mouse saved Goku from certain death, those powers not working on Tao is filler.
Rank doesn't equal strength in the Red Ribbon Army. Can you provide proof the Blue is the strongest? I have a quote that contradicts your opinion. Goku surviving Blue by luck doesn't mean anything. The Goku Black fought was supremely stronger than the version that fought Blue.
Simple. Blue showed more than Black.
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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by LightBing » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:15 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:
LightBing wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:He's a staff officer, while Blue is the strongest general + special powers. Only mouse saved Goku from certain death, those powers not working on Tao is filler.
Rank doesn't equal strength in the Red Ribbon Army. Can you provide proof the Blue is the strongest? I have a quote that contradicts your opinion. Goku surviving Blue by luck doesn't mean anything. The Goku Black fought was supremely stronger than the version that fought Blue.
Why are you so defensive about this? Is it because it contradicts your made up power levels and versus lists?
Don't paint me as some stubborn power level guy. I've been polite and didn't disregard you. I'm simply challenging your opinion, since you were the first to challenge mine and I want you to build upon what you wrote. Or else you're telling me I'm wrong just because.
So, I'll ask again, provide proof. You have only made assumptions from what I can tell. Did Black's comment was proven wrong later? Did another character previously called Blue the strongest soldier? Regarding the actual fight's both went pretty much the same, except Blue had his psychic power. The difference, like I said, is that the Goku who fought Black had trained with Karin, upgrading immensely since Blue.
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Kuririn Fan wrote:He's a staff officer, while Blue is the strongest general + special powers. Only mouse saved Goku from certain death, those powers not working on Tao is filler.
Rank doesn't equal strength in the Red Ribbon Army. Can you provide proof the Blue is the strongest? I have a quote that contradicts your opinion. Goku surviving Blue by luck doesn't mean anything. The Goku Black fought was supremely stronger than the version that fought Blue.
It's hard to say, Black could just have been referring to the soldiers on the base that Goku had defeated thus far.
It's possible, however in context seems unlikely. This is just conjecture but Black was tranquil during the whole invasion, when Goku reached him he calmly took off his coat to confront him, said what he said and lost in a short exchange. After he comments how he's stronger than he thought, proceeding to enter the battle jacket.
He knew Goku had defeated/escaped almost the whole army. Seem redundant to compare himself to basic foot soldiers having that information.
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LightBing wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:He's a staff officer, while Blue is the strongest general + special powers. Only mouse saved Goku from certain death, those powers not working on Tao is filler.
Rank doesn't equal strength in the Red Ribbon Army. Can you provide proof the Blue is the strongest? I have a quote that contradicts your opinion. Goku surviving Blue by luck doesn't mean anything. The Goku Black fought was supremely stronger than the version that fought Blue.
Simple. Blue showed more than Black.
Please elaborate.

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:09 pm

Let's see, I'm only including living pure-blooded humans with no technological or magical enhancements. So Oob(magical), Tao Pai Pai(cyborg),Gohan(half-Saiyan), and Mutaito(dead) will not be making the list.
1. Kuririn: Has been constantly pegged as the strongest earthling by official sources since the Boo Arc.
2. Tenshinhan: He and Chaozu are the only earthling Z Fighters who still train.
3 & 4: Yamcha and Chaozu: Yamcha isn't training anymore, but Chaozu is. Maybe the little guy caught up to him? Who knows? Who cares?
5. Muten Roshi: Apparently been training behind the scenes throughout Z. Still weaker than any of the younger Z Fighters.
6. Yajirobe: Ridiculously strong by nature, but never trains.
7. Chi Chi: Trained by Gyumao. Power Level is 130.
8. Tsuru Sennin: Rival to Muten Roshi, but is a bit weaker. Power Level is 120.
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Post by SmugStick » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:57 pm

Shouldn't we consider Oob the strongest human? I mean, he struck really powerfully against Gokū (With God power of we connect the ending to BoG and FnF / Super.) So I guess he is the most obvious answer.
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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by samuo2 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:18 am

In reality, so in the manga, at the opposite of the anime, Uub juste clashed one time with Gokû, no powerfull fist or someting else
The entire fight is here, 7 cases, that's all
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:54 am

LightBing wrote:Please elaborate.
Blue casually beat the shit out of Krillin, remained conscious from a few serious blows from Goku, and even paralyzed him with his telekinesis while Black couldn't touch Goku outside his Battle Jacket.
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Re: Strongest humans?

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
LightBing wrote:Please elaborate.
Blue casually beat the shit out of Krillin, remained conscious from a few serious blows from Goku, and even paralyzed him with his telekinesis while Black couldn't touch Goku outside his Battle Jacket.
Sure, but the Goku that beat Black defeated Tao Pai Pai. And Tao Pai Pai killed Blue with a poke of his tongue.

In fact, Black actually survived a punch by Goku. That was stronger than Tao Pai Pai. That had killed Blue with a poke of his tongue.

In short, it's very hard to tell. Black could definitely be much stronger than Blue and he also might not. There's not much to go on, just the way we interpret the context and what Black says.

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:47 pm

While your point is accurate, and I don't disagree with you, Goku only beat Tao by deflecting a grenade. Should that grenade have gone elsewhere, the battle might have ended differently.

I know it ended how it ended, but Goku wasn't his direct cause of death.
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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by rereboy » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:59 am

Silver Sinspawn wrote:While your point is accurate, and I don't disagree with you, Goku only beat Tao by deflecting a grenade. Should that grenade have gone elsewhere, the battle might have ended differently.
That's simply untrue. None of Tao Pai Pai's hits managed to actually hurt Goku on their second fight, Goku just took them and got right back up smiling. Goku completely dominated the fight.

Goku didn't need the grenade at all to defeat Tao Pai Pai and the only reason why Tao Pai Pai was even able to use a grenade was because Goku stopped attacking him when Tao Pai Pai begged for mercy when he was on the verge of defeat. If that hadn't happened, Goku would have just kept pounding on Tao Pai Pai and he would have been defeated.

As for the grenade managing to hurt Goku if it hit, Goku took a direct bazooka hit when he was storming the RR base and it didn't hurt him so the grenade probably also wouldn't accomplish anything if it had hit Goku.

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by apex_pretador » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:51 am

OK, time to calculate results

Voters : DanielSSJ , Buutenks , Kaboom , Silver Sinspawn , SSJ3 vegeta , Pocket-god , DBZAOTA482 , Zombie , Lightbing , Rorona PT , apex_pretador

Krillin :
30 + 27 + 30 + 27 + 30 + 24 + 30 + 30 + 30 + 27 + 30 = 315 #1

Tien :
27 + 30 + 27 + 30 + 27 + 30 + 27 + 27 + 27 + 30 + 27 = 309 #2

Yamcha :
22 + 24 + 22 + 24 + 24 + 27 + 24 + 24 + 24 + 24 + 24 = 263 #3

Chiaotzu :
22 + 17 + 22 + 20 + 20 + __ + 17 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 20 = 198 (10 votes) #4

Roshi :
17 + 20 + 17 + 15 + 17 + 20 + 15 + 15 + 17 + 17 + 15 = 185 #5

Yajirobe :
15 + 15 + __ + 17 + 15 + __ + 20 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 17 = 144 (9 votes) #6

ChiChi :
13 + 7 + __ + 7 + 13 + __ + 13 + 13 + 11 + 8 + 9 = 94 (9 votes) #7?

Tsuresenin :
11 + 9 + _ + 11 + _ + _ + 9 + 9 + 13 + 11 + 13 = 86 (8 votes) #7?

Tao pai pai:
_ + 13 + _ + 13 + _ + _ + 7 + 7 + 8 + 13 + 11 = 72 (7 votes) #9

Gohan :
8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 9 + 8 = 47 (6 votes) #10?

General blue:
8 + 5 + 6 + 5 + 5 = 29 (5 votes) #13

Bora:
7 + 6 + 3 + 6 + 6 + 6 = 34 (6 votes) #12

King chappa:
11 + 11 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 7 + 0 = 53 (7 votes) #10?

Nam:
4 + 5 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 0 = 22 (6 votes) #14

General black:
3 + 4 + 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 11 (6 votes) #15?

Videl:
9 + 0 + 0 + 0= 9 (4 vote) #15?

General white:
3 + 3 + 0 + 0 = 6 (4 votes)

Pamput :
5 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 5 (5 votes)

Gyumao :
4 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 4 (4 votes)

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Re: Strongest humans?

Post by apex_pretador » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:47 am

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Would you (or anyone else) like to extend your list, as the positions of Tsuresenin , chichi , gohan , chappa , general black & videl are in doubt?
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