Thoughts on Piccolo Daimao

[DBZAOTA482]

His character is rather basic compared to Freeza, Cell, and Fat Boo but he quite effective as a villain and for being the first evil-to-the-core type he was more than a welcome addition.

[Gorou]

It's not plot reasons. Goku was immobilized but he's still powerful and Piccolo needed a big attack.

I do not think. He could kill him with bare hands without any problems (just before he broke his arms and legs with 3 stones)

[ABED]

It's not plot reasons. Goku was immobilized but he's still powerful and Piccolo needed a big attack.

I do not think. He could kill him with bare hands without any problems (just before he broke his arms and legs with 3 stones)

If Goku has enough power to kill Piccolo, then Piccolo couldn't kill him as easily as you claim.

[Gorou]

In the moment that has defeated King Piccolo has collected all his strength in his fist, increasing its penetration force.

However, this is not a big flaw.
It is common feature of ALL the villains waste time instead of killing the opponent. Piccolo, Freeze and Cell have done the same thing.

[ABED]

I get that, but it's not a Bond villain moment. Goku is injured and seemingly easy prey, but Goku still has a lot of power. Piccolo needed a big attack to destroy Goku.

[Vijay]

@ABED

You do realize Piccolo Daimou was flying straight at Goku from above the sky going for the kill dont you?

The position of his arms shows he was gonna carve Goku's heart or shave his head off.

Goku's final gamble was propelling his entire force to the ground & take flight towards Daimou.

Which quite frankly shocked the hell outta Daimou, which urged him to shield/block whatevet offense Goku would utilize against him

Alas, the whole "Oozaru" which translates into Goku's latent/dormant potential prevailed, though quite honestly feels cheap.

It was an extremely deadly blow to be able to pierce an opponent say unlike Makankosappo

[ABED]

Vijay, I fail to see what your point is as it pertains to mine. I'm well aware that Piccolo was going for the kill.

[DBZ_323]

Piccolo Daimao and his arc changed Dragon Ball forever and for the better, I think he was a fantastic villain and just how serious and badass he was was crazy. His entire arc was epic and my favourite part of the entire original series. He killed Chiaotzu, Krillin, Roshi, and Shenron and he succeeded in taking over the world in a way no other villain really did,

[TheUltimateVegito]

I think he was a great villain, made even better by his relationship with Kami.

His twisted sense of justice (As the OP put it) really sold me on him:

He believed that goodness in humanity is only a result of the laws they are bind to, that if goodness were removed from the laws then humanity's true colors would show itself, which would then lead to chaos and carnage. If humanity really didn't desire evil more then Piccolo's rule would not lead to chaos, because Piccolo allowed humanity to live as they want only without goodnes to bind them. His relationship with Kami added to the greatness of this because it meant that he was doing all this as a big middle finger to Kami, to show Kami that humanity isn't worth saving due to their greed, and that the power to manipulate humanity for pleasure is the only worth in having power over them which was shown to have a big impact on Kami as he was sceptical about recreating the Dragon Balls due to human greed until he met Goku and questioned his reason for becoming Kami.

[ABED]

I don't think he's doing all of it as a middle finger to Kami. Some of it, sure. Though I believe the biggest reason he's doing it is because he's literally evil incarnate.

One thing I think gives him another layer is that I think he genuinely cares for his children.

[TheUltimateVegito]

I don't think he's doing all of it as a middle finger to Kami. Some of it, sure. Though I believe the biggest reason he's doing it is because he's literally evil incarnate.

One thing I think gives him another layer is that I think he genuinely cares for his children.

But wouldn't being evil incarnate be the reason he'd give a middle finger to Kami? Seeing as how they're enemies by nature with Kami being the polar opposite of himself? I mean, if Kami wasn't his main reason then I don't think he'd eventually wipe out humanity like he planned, because he'd instead be able to rule humanity for eternity.

[Gaffer Tape]

He believed that goodness in humanity is only a result of the laws they are bind to, that if goodness were removed from the laws then humanity's true colors would show itself, which would then lead to chaos and carnage. If humanity really didn't desire evil more then Piccolo's rule would not lead to chaos, because Piccolo allowed humanity to live as they want only without goodnes to bind them.

That's... actually a really interesting idea. I'd never thought of that before. It's a shame, though, because it's an idea that's only really shown in the TV adaptation. All we get in the manga is a gag of Lunch saying it's not a bad idea. But we never see anyone acting on those ideas in Toriyama's version.

[TheUltimateVegito]

He believed that goodness in humanity is only a result of the laws they are bind to, that if goodness were removed from the laws then humanity's true colors would show itself, which would then lead to chaos and carnage. If humanity really didn't desire evil more then Piccolo's rule would not lead to chaos, because Piccolo allowed humanity to live as they want only without goodnes to bind them.

That's... actually a really interesting idea. I'd never thought of that before. It's a shame, though, because it's an idea that's only really shown in the TV adaptation. All we get in the manga is a gag of Lunch saying it's not a bad idea. But we never see anyone acting on those ideas in Toriyama's version.

We could assume they did. The meaning behind King Piccolo's plan and how it affected Kami (Greed of humanity) is still strong whether or not the chaos was shown, but I agree showing it would've helped.

[Gaffer Tape]

Or we could assume that everyone is horrified by the prospect, which is exactly what we're shown in the manga. I just don't think it's an idea that's effective, or even presented, unless the outcome is shown. If we're not shown or even hinted towards the idea, all we get is an evil guy doing evil things because he's evil. The idea that the people embrace such ideals never comes into the picture. Another reason why the TV version of this arc is much better (and thank you for making me realize that) than the manga version, which is pretty... not... good.

[TheUltimateVegito]

Or we could assume that everyone is horrified by the prospect, which is exactly what we're shown in the manga. I just don't think it's an idea that's effective, or even presented, unless the outcome is shown. If we're not shown or even hinted towards the idea, all we get is an evil guy doing evil things because he's evil. The idea that the people embrace such ideals never comes into the picture. Another reason why the TV version of this arc is much better (and thank you for making me realize that) than the manga version, which is pretty... not... good.

Well, we only saw a few people watching King Piccolo give his speech, nothing that shows chaos wouldn't have happened. Plus, King Piccolo was said to have plunge the world into chaos last time he ruled so it's very likely that he used the same methods then.

And you're welcome Although I'd say the manga version is around the same tier as the anime version. Now I'm really looking forward to when you do a King Piccolo arc anime dissection!

[ABED]

But wouldn't being evil incarnate be the reason he'd give a middle finger to Kami?

He's not doing it out of a personal grudge. He's doing it because of his desire to do evil, not as a mere message to his good half. He does what he does regardless of his origin. He wants to do evil for evil's sake.

[TheUltimateVegito]

But wouldn't being evil incarnate be the reason he'd give a middle finger to Kami?

He's not doing it out of a personal grudge. He's doing it because of his desire to do evil, not as a mere message to his good half. He does what he does regardless of his origin. He wants to do evil for evil's sake.

Yes, he does it because of his desire to do evil, but the fact that he'd wipe out humanity despite having eternal life proves that his actions are mainly a result of Kami's existence, meaning he's also doing it to get at Kami. Then again, he doesn't have a choice with the whole wiping out humanity thing since Kami isn't immortal too and it'd be wiser to not keep Kami alive long enough for him to eventually stop him.

[ABED]

I'm not following this train of thought. How does Piccolo killing humanity have anything to do with Kami much less prove that fact? And what does his eternal life have to do with anything? Do we even know he has eternal life?

[TheUltimateVegito]

I'm not following this train of thought. How does Piccolo killing humanity have anything to do with Kami much less prove that fact? And what does his eternal life have to do with anything? Do we even know he has eternal life?

Because he'd have been able to rule humanity for eternity (Or an exceptionally long time) if not for Kami. If Kami didn't exist then he probably wouldn't have wipe out humanity like he was planning to, showing his actions are mainly a result of Kami's existence as well as his own personal enjoyment.

[ABED]

I'm not following this train of thought. How does Piccolo killing humanity have anything to do with Kami much less prove that fact? And what does his eternal life have to do with anything? Do we even know he has eternal life?

Because he'd have been able to rule humanity for eternity (Or an exceptionally long time) if not for Kami. If Kami didn't exist then he probably wouldn't have wipe out humanity like he was planning to, showing his actions are mainly a result of Kami's existence as well as his own personal enjoyment.

I'm still not following this. I don't recall him ever caring to rule humanity. His plan was always to kill everyone eventually. If Kami can stop him from ruling over humanity for a long period of time, why wouldn't he stop Piccolo from killing humanity?