If You Could Permanently Kill Off One Character...

[FoolsGil]

Vegeta. Go die in a fire made from your self doubts and inadequacies you damn dirty ape.

[LordCrumb]

Goten and Trunks.

Because... they seem to have no intention of aging them in Super. Child characters get boring and annoying, and they have been more annoying than entertaining so far.

[PsionicWarrior]

Disagree, the Dragon Balls are exactly what defines the show. Characters have their importance but they're just all part of the bigger picture. It's like medieval tales, you could say it revolves around King Arthur or Lancelot, but in fact is about the grail.

No, the grail and the Dragon Balls are the McGuffins. The characters are what matters.

Lol McGuffins, I'm pretty sure a Dragon Ball show without Goku & co would be wonders if well written and animated, but we'll just agree to disagree here.

[Soppa Saia People]

Disagree, the Dragon Balls are exactly what defines the show. Characters have their importance but they're just all part of the bigger picture. It's like medieval tales, you could say it revolves around King Arthur or Lancelot, but in fact is about the grail.

No, the grail and the Dragon Balls are the McGuffins. The characters are what matters.

Lol McGuffins, I'm pretty sure a Dragon Ball show without Goku & co would be wonders if well written and animated, but we'll just agree to disagree here.

Unless it was reboot, no chance in hell. Gokuu has been the main character since the start, he even has his own day in Japan, people are to attached to him for something like.
Also what's so funny about Mcgufffins ? It's a word and commonly used one at that.

[sparksXD]

beerus because getting him killed could lead up to a sad moment for goku vegeta and whis saying thanks to goku and the z fighters but i don't hate him he is a great character just think it would be cool

[PsionicWarrior]

Unless it was reboot, no chance in hell. Gokuu has been the main character since the start, he even has his own day in Japan, people are to attached to him for something like.

Sure, maybe some spin-off, but people wanting to wed Goku does not mean the show revolves around him, he's the main character no doubt, but everything happens because of the Dragon Balls. Honestly he could even be dead and still have some appearances from the after-life, what I meant to say is no matter what happens to the characters, if the more popular ones die and new ones appear, it could still be a DB show if done right, and an awesome one, even if we'll all be missing our favorite chars and there is many, as long as the dragon balls are there it can be no other show.

Then I agree it would be an extremely risky thing to do, as to not fuck up there is so much to take into consideration especially if changing direction.

[ABED]

They're the textbook example of McGuffins. The show doesn't revolve around them, they are simply the impetus for the story, but pretty quickly they are no longer the characters' goals. They're useful plot devices, but they aren't really what the story is about. It's about Goku becoming the best fighter he can be. Not everything happens because of the Dragon Balls. Goku and Kuririn training and competing in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai had nothing to do with the Dragon Balls.

if the more popular ones die and new ones appear, it could still be a DB show if done right, and an awesome one, even if we'll all be missing our favorite chars and there is many, as long as the dragon balls are there it can be no other show.

People aren't tuning in for the Dragon Balls. If you get rid of characters like Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, etc. it becomes a different show. After 20 years, I doubt the show would be successful.

[PsionicWarrior]

It's about Goku becoming the best fighter he can be.

Now that's a bit reductive.

If you get rid of characters like Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, etc. it becomes a different show. After 20 years, I doubt the show would be successful.

Well it won't be either DB or Z or GT or Super obviously. Maybe the show wouldn't be successful as is clearly a gamble, nevertheless one I'd enjoy watching, if it's not silly ofc.

[ABED]

Now that's a bit reductive.

It's simple, but true. That's his goal throughout the story.

[PsionicWarrior]

Yes that's Goku's role, saying to whole show is reduced to this is what I contest.

[ABED]

Yes that's Goku's role, saying to whole show is reduced to this is what I contest.

It's essentially what the show is about. At its core, it's about his journey. Instead of telling me that I'm wrong or laughing at McGuffin (still don't understand why you found that funny), offer a counter argument.

[PsionicWarrior]

Is not only about his journey, it is also the journey of Kuririn, of Piccolo, of Vegeta, of Buruma, of Gohan, now even of Beerus, etc.
The way I see it nothing would have happened without the dragon balls, they are the reason villains appear thus Goku has to surpass them and himself.

I didn't say you were wrong I said I disagreed no need to get so touchy, my argument since the start is that I consider Goku to be the main character of a show itself revolving around some balls.

[ABED]

Is not only about his journey, it is also the journey of Kuririn, of Piccolo, of Vegeta, of Buruma, of Gohan, now even of Beerus, etc.
The way I see it nothing would have happened without the dragon balls, they are the reason villains appear thus Goku has to surpass them and himself.

I didn't say you were wrong I said I disagreed no need to get so touchy, my argument since the start is that I consider Goku to be the main character of a show itself revolving around some balls.

Yes, they are an important plot device, but it's not about the Dragon Balls. The show doesn't revolve around them and it's quite clear seeing as how they aren't always the goal of any given arc. And the villains main goals aren't always the Dragon Balls. And sure, there are other important characters, but Goku is the main character so it's not overly simplistic to boil the story down to it being about him. All the other characters you mentioned revolve around him and his story.

I'm not touchy at all, where'd you get that impression?

[PsionicWarrior]

The show doesn't revolve around them and it's quite clear seeing as how they aren't always the goal of any given arc. And the villains main goals aren't always the Dragon Balls.

This is actually where I start to find it subtle, let's take the Cell arc for example, things were so tense precisely because there were no dragon balls, so they weren't directly involved on main focus nevertheless maintained a crucial role by their absence.

All the other characters you mentioned revolve around him and his story.

That's the perks of being a main.

I'm not touchy at all, where'd you get that impression?

Nah just teasing you.

[floofychan333]

Maybe Hercule? From what I've seen of him so far he seems like an annoying glory hog.

[PsionicWarrior]

Maybe Hercule? From what I've seen of him so far he seems like an annoying glory hog.

No way, M. Satan is our lord and savior.

[Anime Kitten]

My other choice would definitely be Hercule. He's very tiresome by now, and his role was already way too big in GT.

[ABED]

Mr. Satan didn't do anything in GT. Yeah he's a gloryhog but he's sweet at heart.

[Anime Kitten]

Mr. Satan didn't do anything in GT. Yeah he's a gloryhog but he's sweet at heart.

Actually, I liked him better in GT then anywhere else, but he had way too much screentime for how irrelevant to the plot he was. Pretty much the only thing he did was take Pan away from the battlefield after she got knocked out from one hit (about a dozen times at least).

[ABED]

Mr. Satan didn't do anything in GT. Yeah he's a gloryhog but he's sweet at heart.

Actually, I liked him better in GT then anywhere else, but he had way too much screentime for how irrelevant to the plot he was. Pretty much the only thing he did was take Pan away from the battlefield after she got knocked out from one hit (about a dozen times at least).

I'm fine with how much screen time he had because he didn't have much and I'd cut the Goten/Palace stuff before I'd cut anything with him.