Mystic Gohan: Is that his final power?

Gogeta101 · Post by **Gogeta101** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:42 pm

Yes, we all know that Gohan got his power awakened by the Elder Kai. He fought Super Buu and completely owned him. His strength is supposedly at the maximum, but I was wondering if:
1)He can build up on other things like his speed and defense maybe?
2)If so, how would he fare against the more powerful versions of Buu?
Please respond to my questions.

TriforceCaptre · Post by **TriforceCaptre** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:56 pm

I'm sure he could still train and get stronger. Kuririn and Gohan had their powers unleashed or whatever on Namek but that didn't mean they couldn't get even stronger.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:17 am

It maxed out his current power so that he would not have to transform into a Super Saiyan-jin and have the downsides to those. He can still train and raise his power level.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:41 am

I don't believe that Gohan could possibly get any stronger than he already was, save for some kind of outside influence (like magic, or something external)

I came to this conclusion when Majin Boo beat Gohan near to death, and then he was healed by Dende. When Gohan got back up Majin Boo made a point of noting that his power had not changed in the slightest, despite that Gohan should have recieved a major strength increase thanks to his Saiyan heritage. I suspect even his Saiyan nature couldn't improve on "perfection" so to speak.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:03 am

I'd like to know why everyone seems to think that he was somehow boosted up to the absolute maximum amount of power he could ever have. That's kinda ridiculous, if you ask me. I'm with Anonymous Friend and TriforceCaptre on this, and I always have held such a view on the matter.

I believe that Old Kaio's "procedure" sort of unlocked all his... "immedeiate" potential strength, which would apparently include any he would get from zenkais. It wasn't much different from Saichoro's technique, save for the way it rearranged his power, getting rid of Super Saiyan in the process.

I don't believe in unbreakable ceilings of potential in real life, and especially within DragonBall. Every time such a concept has even been suggested, it's ended up being overcome. Nothing points to it being any different with Gohan. But if this powerup gave him "all that he could ever achieve," or some such bunk, then why'd he lose to Gotenks Buu?

The term "unlock potential" is, let's face it, not to be taken very seriously or literally. We've seen characters have their "potential unlocked" before, yet they always end up beaten, yet live to improve further. Gohan is no different. Old Kaio's powerup was just a big ol' plot-advancing power boost, essentially no different from Saichoro's, save for messing with the Super Saiyan transformations. I really see no evidence otherwise. Did it make him a heck of a whole lot more powerful, second only to Vegeto among the heroes? Yep. Did it make him omnipotent? Nope.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:22 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:I don't believe in unbreakable ceilings of potential in real life, and especially within DragonBall. Every time such a concept has even been suggested, it's ended up being overcome. Nothing points to it being any different with Gohan.

Except he didn't get a Zenkai.

Lavender Saiyan · Post by **Lavender Saiyan** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:29 am

I've always believed that "Maximum Potential" meant for the current state of his body. Like for the state his body is in, he could still be stronger. But there's always room to get stronger. If he trains, he WILL get stronger.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:35 am

Lavender Saiyan wrote:If [Gohan] trains

And the LuftROFL carpetbombs the thread.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:10 am

This whole thing is pretty debatable...the fact of the matter is that there is no obvious indication one way or the other so there is no practical use in really discussion it very much.

But, alas, it will be discussed...a lot...

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:06 pm

Well, he obviously got weaker in GT so maybe he could train again to get back to his "peak" at the very least..
-Rick

lets go swimming · Post by **lets go swimming** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:08 pm

Well the fact that he doesn't get a zenkai is pretty much the only evidence there is. But its pretty sound evidence.

Niether super buu 2 or superbuu 3 are even twice as strong as he is, so if he could train he'd be able to beat them.

Gogeta101 · Post by **Gogeta101** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:44 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Well, he obviously got weaker in GT so maybe he could train again to get back to his "peak" at the very least..
-Rick

Well, if Gohan trained for the years after the Buu battles, how would he do against for example, Yi Xing Long? Or even Super 17?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:09 pm

Gogeta101 wrote:Well, if Gohan trained for the years after the Buu battles, how would he do against for example, Yi Xing Long? Or even Super 17?

It's GT. He'd fail horribly.

tainted saiyan · Post by **tainted saiyan** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:34 pm

Thing is, even if he did train like hell, he wouldn't be able to go SSJ4, because his blood isn't pure. So, against Super 17 and Yi Xing Long, he wouldn't be much of a challenge.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:40 pm

tainted saiyan wrote:Thing is, even if he did train like hell, he wouldn't be able to go SSJ4, because his blood isn't pure. So, against Super 17 and Yi Xing Long, he wouldn't be much of a challenge.

I'm still not clear about that. Vegeta said something about his blood being tainted, or something - but I've seen no other evidence of any kind of restriction on the transformation. Anyone have anything on it?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:51 pm

desirecampbell wrote: I'm still not clear about that. Vegeta said something about his blood being tainted, or something - but I've seen no other evidence of any kind of restriction on the transformation. Anyone have anything on it?

Um... plot device? I figure that if Babi had been able to use SSj4, then Goku would have lost. We can't have that in GT, now, can we?

But the "pure-blooded" thing makes sense, if you ask me. It's a nice way to keep SSj4 as at least one stage that everyone and their pet rock can't achieve.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:13 pm

Well, Mystic Gohan was 1337 as hell (quoted from the daizenshuu by the way). Think of SSj2 Gohan, who surpassed everyone during the Cell Games, and getting back to those roots. Logically, characters like Gohan, Gotenks, and Uub should outshine Goku on several occasions, but that would defeat the whole purpose of GT. Oh and Duo, thanks for not killing us for using Mystic.

-Rick

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:21 am

*Doesn't mention a certain fanfic that isn't mine that is undergoing major rewrites... and holycrap, the author just I'm'd me really early for him...*

It's well known that GT was all about Goku killing stuff. If Toriyama had written GT (Heh heh... that's a topic in itself. It probably wouldn't have happened. Oh wait, that's why he didn't write it...), Gohan probably would have ... umm... not sucked.

Notice that Gohan didn't achieve SSJ3 when fighting Buu, but still owned him 20x6. So basically.. transformations aren't always necessary for freaking huge power. And I'll go on another flame-able tangent and say I tend to consider "Mystic" Gohan either halfway between ssj3 and ssj4 in power, or the DBZ equivalent of SSJ4 (putting Vegeto as SSJ4 Gogeta levels, which is ... easily shot down, but I pretend anyway).

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:50 pm

Rick wrote:Oh and Duo, thanks for not killing us for using Mystic. Mr. Green

My trigger finger is itchy.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:42 pm

I am not really a fan of the "Mystic Power UP". I found it to be a lame cop out to try and make Gohan cool again, because when he became and adult and stopped training, he became quite lame. Plus he didn't have to work at all to become the "Strongest Character" in Z.

I remember reading in someones sig somewhere a funny quote that said something like.

"DragonBall Z shows kids a bad life lesson. It shows that no matter how hard you work, no matter how hard you train and fight, no matter how deep your passion is, there will always be a kid who will have an old man to give him special power to surpass you."
In reference to Vegeta and Gohan.

Don't get me wrong, Kid Gohan is Cool. I just think Adult/Teen Gohan was lame.