900 Minutes of Uncut Action, DBZ Season 1 Arrives

[Ex-Dubbie369]

Let's not let this escalate to another quote war, kids. People can say what they want, doesn't mean that you have to think the same way...
Getting on topic if by any chance, Funimation was to stop these releases and were to do a 4:3 version instead:

-Do you think they would do these 39 episodes again? If so, would you buy it?
-How do you think they'd promote it? Better yet, what would they say about the previous set (the reason they discontinued)?
-Do you think the sets would still cost around $30.00?

By the way, what's the situation with the previous Funi DVDs? Could they go up in value at any point in time. I mean, they are the only R1 bilingual DVDs available to us uncut right? They are 4:3 and for the time being, its the only way to have these episodes this way legit from season three on..
-Rick

They probably would release these episodes again, and I personally would buy it as long as it remains the same price. I don't think they are going to discontinue the widescreen sets, but may release 4:3 sets in addition to the current sets and I assume they would be similar in price.

[VegettoEX]

But you know what it really comes down to? IT'S A DVD OF A KID'S SHOW. Stop being a douchebag and treating people like they're scum because of their opinions and tastes on it.

Doesn't it appear that you're just being a "douchebag" in return, though? I mean, read your post. It's got profanity, a demeaning tone, an internet-culture-catch-phrase-message-board-image-response, etc. If so, what are you accomplishing?

You have 1600+ posts on a forum dedicated to a children's show. We're all painfully aware of what it is. No-one needs to remind us. We know what we're talking about. That's why we're all here. I'm continuously flabbergasted when people chime in with the "You can't complain about anything! It's a kid's show!" comment.

Why on Earth can't we complain about something? Again, that's why we're all here. right? To talk about it? The kid's show? We're complaining about something we're spending money on. Since we're spending money on it, shouldn't we be allowed to voice our opinions on it? After all, we worked for that money... shouldn't we have some type of say where it goes? And if we don't want it to go there, shouldn't we have the right to explain why?

You're striking me as the exact same type of person you're rallying against... when the other opinion differs from your own, they suddenly shouldn't be allowed to express it. That's what you're saying, aren't you? Don't complain? Don't voice your opinion? I don't want to hear what you have to say because you disagree with me? You told me to shut-up so I'm telling you to shut-up and we're all being douchebags?

On what planet does this make any logical sense what-so-ever?

I continue to be convinced that only about 1% of the people on this forum actually know how to carry a conversation and an argument. The rest are the example I always use... a nine-year-old (hurhurfunimationreference) that's told to take our the trash and runs around with their hands covering their ears yelling at the top of their lungs because they don't want to hear it, don't want to do it.

If you're going to argue, learn how to do it, and learn how to do it civilly. I hate to single people out, but god damn, folks...

When people whine and complain about something, but buy it anyway, it does NOTHING to help you get what you truly want. It just tells said company that they can get away with whatever the fuck they want, because the fans are too weak-willed and submissive to pressure them to get the damn thing right.

I really enjoyed this comment. Thanks for putting it so well.

[Kaboom]

I hate to single people out, but god damn, folks...

And I hate being singled out... -_-;;

Sorry. You're right. You probably know I usually am well-behaved and civil, but... very little gets me more upset than seeing other people being put down for their tastes and opinions, which ETC has been doing for the past page and a half. I wasn't going to say anything, but when I did, I went a bit overboard. It's not like me. Sorry.

[Anonymous Friend]

Ye kno what? I liken this to people who buy the really cheap store brand groceries. You buy it because it's cheap. You know that there are better quality products out there. Do we critisize folks who buy these? Nope. No one even cares. If we don't buy the cheap product, will the manufactres make a better product? Maybe. Maybe not.

This is my first Dragonball home video purchase and hopefully not my last. This is not me wanting to view Dragonball, but rather me wanting to watch the series. And if me wanting to watch the series makes me a non-fan, then I'll the most series watching non-fan there ever was.

We've been watch FUNi for the last eight or nine years or so, are you really that surprised as to how they're handling it? Do you really expect them to make any great changes to their process?

I know it must really suck to have invested in the previous discs only to have those series dropped. But if I can get the entire series for 200 buck or so with in the next 2 years I'll be very happy. I'm just a sinple person with simple needs. Disagree with me as you see fit, that's just how I feel.

[Brad Redfield]

If we don't buy the cheap product, will the manufactres make a better product? Maybe. Maybe not.

Uh...more often than not they would release a better product to regain the loss of sales from the botched product.

Do you really expect them to make any great changes to their process?

One would think they would after what they've done with their other non-DBZ releases but...yeah...

But if I can get the entire series for 200 buck or so with in the next 2 years I'll be very happy.

Even though it's an extremely flawed release.

Y'know, another kick to the nuts would be that FUNimation was going to release the episodes the way they were pre-shit remastering/cropping-- the yellow set from way back when, remember? That set would've been fine (IMO) but then we got...this...thing.

[Anonymous Friend]

But if I can get the entire series for 200 buck or so with in the next 2 years I'll be very happy.

Even though it's an extremely flawed release.

Absolutely. People choose to buy sub-par and flawed products all the time. Companies put out flawed and sub-par products all the time; many times on purpose.

I've seen other people's criticism of the release and none of the issues really mean anything to me. Therefore, I bought it. Just like I by genaric store brand cereal and peanut butter and stuff.

[Victator Supreme]

I applaud your wanting to be legal, but cheaper? You're not being honest with yourself. If you're not going to put in the effort of obtaining the things you want, then fine... go ahead and ruin it for everyone else by supporting and purchasing these sets.

Sorry most of my money goes to petty things like, rent,electricity, food and medication for my mother. Now I have no problems with downloading. But in the case of things I love, I believe in paying money for it.

I completely understand people who are refusing to buy the sets because of the cropping. But the people who are buying the sets have reasons, just as valid, and perhaps more practical.

[ETC123]

Sorry most of my money goes to petty things like, rent,electricity, food and medication for my mother.

Oh god, would you stop trying to sympathy munch? It's not like everyone else hasn't got their fair share of responsibilities, financially and domestically, so stop singling yourself out as the poor battler.

Now I have no problems with downloading. But in the case of things I love, I believe in paying money for it.

Even when the product is a badly produced, lie filled version which benefits only those who made false promises and delivered inaccurate material?

I completely understand people who are refusing to buy the sets because of the cropping. But the people who are buying the sets have reasons, just as valid, and perhaps more practical.

It is not more practical, it is 'cheaper'. From what I can tell from your posts, you're buying it not because of love, but because it's cheap, but I've gone on a diatribe about this before.

Once again, people bring up the point of "oh, it's just opinions! respect everyone!". When your opinions begin to affect mine and others (not to put myself on a pedestal here) enjoyment and active disrespect for even the most basic of video standards, I believe it crosses a much more delicate line, which I feel is nessecary to take issue with. It is with that reasoning why certian opinions, I feel, are more important/have priority over others. Sure, if you enjoy widescreen so much, what is stopping you from authoring your own 16:9 discs from 4:3 masters? Completely removing the option by going 16:9 to begin with is not the way to go. I don't care if you're as rich as a king or as poor as a pauper, grow some standards. As I said before with my incredibly tacky (but still wholly relevant) comparison, would you buy the woman (or man) you love a cubic zirconia? Touting the "well, it's OPINIONS. OPINIONS OPINIONS" does not allow for any progress to be made. What is needed is action, education, and firm resolve, none of this pussy footing around the issue and 'respecting' the beliefs of others when it in turn affects what you (may possibly) enjoy.

Ammendment #1- Realise that I am not taking potshots at your character or insulting your intelligence. I'm sure, given that you all manage to follow rules and type ever-so-nicely that you're smart, clever people. What I am belittling though is your sense of standards in this issue and the integrity you may or may not hold as fans of this series, or purchasers of DVDs in general.

[desirecampbell]

You know what, ETC123? Fuck you. You're actually saying that you're opinions are more important than anyone else's. You can't say "not to put myself on a pedestal here" and make anything you say okay. You are putting yourself on a pedestal. That's exactly what you're doing. You don't want anyone to buy the set because it "affect mine and others... enjoyment" you are making you more important than everyone you disagree with.

You're a self-righteous, self-important, repugnant asshole. You put your values above all others. Fuck you.

I was going to quote each and every part of your last post, and reply directly to each point you make - but then I see you didn't make any points. You just shit out of your mouth again.


If you want Funimation to re-release the series in a way that you'll be happy with, and you think the way to do that is refusing to buy anything else - fine, do that. I don't give a shit about what you do and don't buy. That's your choice. But your egotism at thinking you have the right to tell others that they're 'lesser fans' or 'they don't buy it because they love it' is unbelievable. Maybe some people want Funimation to produce more series like this, with the widescreen and bad-looking video. They can choose to buy the set in hopes that Funimation will continue to

What? You think that might affect you in some way? Well, whoopty-do. You don't have the right to not be affected by others. What you do affects others, and what they do affects you. That's how social interaction works. Don't like it? Tough shit. You aren't in charge of the world.

[Anonymous Friend]

What? You think that might affect you in some way? Well, whoopty-do. You don't have the right to not be affected by others. What you do affects others, and what they do affects you. That's how social interaction works. Don't like it? Tough shit. You aren't in charge of the world.

At this point I'm kinda starting to see the point that ETC123 is poorly trying to make: By buying the set we're encouraging FUNi to do what they want and continue to release it poorly. The problem is that the points made by ETC123 are completely covered in crap and turning people away before they can see the point. And it's a pretty valid point but it has to be realised that people are always gonna buy cheap products. And if you don't want these cheap products go somewhere else. If thier the only company in the area providing these, you may have to widen out you search.

[ETC123]

You know what, ETC123? Fuck you.

Glad to see I got this far in to you. I think that's an appropriate trophey.

Hook, line and sinker .

You're actually saying that you're opinions are more important than anyone else's.

No, not everyone elses, however I do feel that from the standpoint of integrity that my opinion is actually more valid than others. I feel confident enough in this opinion that it is more valid than others. Don't like it? Cry.

You can't say "not to put myself on a pedestal here" and make anything you say okay. You are putting yourself on a pedestal. That's exactly what you're doing. You don't want anyone to buy the set because it "affect mine and others... enjoyment" you are making you more important than everyone you disagree with.

I wouldn't say it's making me more important, but I am essentially looking out for number one here. The thing is that it's not a matter of opinion as to whether the show got good handling or not- it didn't. It continues not to, and people continue to support it. So, I have to take issue with those who do. Of course if you decide to shut yourself off on the basis that everyone is right, like yourself, you won't ever get anywhere, aswell as stagnating the progress of others.

You're a self-righteous, self-important, repugnant asshole. You put your values above all others. Fuck you.

I put my value above others on this issue because I am universally right. That is justifiable arrogance, for sure, but still arrogance. I won't apologize though because as I have said, I am right in this issue. I am right as far as integrity and standards go. You don't have to like me, but you will realise that I am right, either today, tommorow, or ten years from now (or more. or less.).

I was going to quote each and every part of your last post, and reply directly to each point you make - but then I see you didn't make any points. You just shit out of your mouth again.

Rhetoric used by those in an argument to halt the argument once one party realises they, like those they accuse, have no more points to make.

If you want Funimation to re-release the series in a way that you'll be happy with, and you think the way to do that is refusing to buy anything else - fine, do that.

Once again, you have misunderstood my intentions./ I don't just intend to stop buying their releases, but I intend to make others feel bad about buying them. Yes, part of this is because the ideal way for me (and select others) to watch this series is now indefinantly compromised (so far), and because those who would fight are giving up, but also because you are perpetuating an action that is by and far against everything people have fought for in home video releases of TV series. It's an industry standard thing (OAR) and if people are successful selling cropped 4:3 shows, what kind of message does that send?

What I want to accomplish, as far as fandom goes (anime and TV shows on general) is that we all don't haver to rely on importation to get what we want.

I don't give a shit about what you do and don't buy. That's your choice. But your egotism at thinking you have the right to tell others that they're 'lesser fans' or 'they don't buy it because they love it' is unbelievable.

Well look, as I said, would you honestly cheapskate or buy the first piece of shit of something that fell in to your lap?

Wait, yes, you would, because you have no standards. Hate to say it but I am right, as far as this issue is concerned.

Maybe some people want Funimation to produce more series like this, with the widescreen and bad-looking video. They can choose to buy the set in hopes that Funimation will continue to

And I will continue to berate them and prove them wrong. Seriously, this is backwards thinking with a "new age" spin on it, and ultimatly is self destructive. This behaviour needs to be cut off at the source as much as possible and if I am the only one who is willing to step up to do it, then so be it.

What? You think that might affect you in some way? Well, whoopty-do. You don't have the right to not be affected by others. What you do affects others, and what they do affects you. That's how social interaction works. Don't like it? Tough shit. You aren't in charge of the world.

Not yet, but I wouldn't want to be. This isn't a case of social interaction, this is a case of actual standards, both figurative and conventional being broken to no tangible benefit. Yes, the set is cheap, it has Japanese audio with English Audio, it has subtitles, but these are not justifications for widescreen.

[Bardock the Mexican]

Glad to see I got this far in to you. I think that's an appropriate trophey.
Hook, line and sinker .
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Now I know that you are nothing but a troll with that comment. I hope that upon recieving this message you will realize what is wrong with this statement and mend your ways. I don't know if I can have any hope of that happening though, due to this statement.

[ETC123]

Now I know that you are nothing but a troll with that comment. I hope that upon recieving this message you will realize what is wrong with this statement and mend your ways. I don't know if I can have any hope of that happening though, due to this statement.

What I put out there was my honest to god opinion and what I know to be true. I wanted to hammer this point out. The fact that desire decided to act like a vulgar teenager was only a bonus- not my intention. Had I been a troll, that's what I would have aimed for. We have a conflict of perspective, I took issue with it, and look what we have now.

[Pieter]

Now I know that you are nothing but a troll with that comment. I hope that upon recieving this message you will realize what is wrong with this statement and mend your ways. I don't know if I can have any hope of that happening though, due to this statement.

What I put out there was my honest to god opinion and what I know to be true. I wanted to hammer this point out. The fact that desire decided to act like a vulgar teenager was only a bonus- not my intention. Had I been a troll, that's what I would have aimed for. We have a conflict of perspective, I took issue with it, and look what we have now.

Why the fuck do you care so much about other peoples purchases, as to be quoting every sentence about it on a message board? You seem to be passive agressive about this in a rather unhealthy way. Just voice your opinion and be quiet is my advice. You have good points (!) but you're agressively talking to people who really don't care about you if you keep this up.

[Black Mist]

You're a self-righteous, self-important, repugnant asshole. You put your values above all others. Fuck you.

I see your point and its validity though how radically your means to get it across. But why in the world would you put someone dissing you as your sig. That's completely messed up and the only person who could feel good about that is a troll!
ETC123
Species:Troll
Hit points:123
Special ability's:Reversal armor turning attacks on him into health.

[TripleRach]

Didn't anyone read this?

Doesn't it appear that you're just being a "douchebag" in return, though? I mean, read your post. It's got profanity, a demeaning tone, an internet-culture-catch-phrase-message-board-image-response, etc. If so, what are you accomplishing?

You guys are accusing ETC123 of being a troll and an asshole, but the way you're responding comes off just as bad, if not worse. I'm genuinely surprised to see people on this forum, of all places, responding so volatilely to a different point of view. Hardly anyone seems willing to acknowledge his points at all just because they're letting themselves get so worked up by the way he's expressing them. Let me try expressing it differently:

This product has many severe, noticeable flaws. Those who have willingly purchased and enjoyed this product are sending a message to the manufacturer that they approve.

That's not just an opinion. You can say that you don't like what's been done, but when you buy this set, that's not the message you just sent FUNimation. In turn, you're effectively condoning this treatment of the series, whether you like it or not.

This is basically what ETC123 has been trying to say, though obviously in a much different way. In general, I agree with him, but it's not my intention to upset anyone or purport myself as being superior; I just want to throw out some common sense.

[Mr.Piccolo]

^ Thanks. Let's just drop this now... I don't mean to quote myself, but getting on topic:

Let's not let this escalate to another quote war, kids. People can say what they want, doesn't mean that you have to think the same way...
Getting on topic if by any chance, Funimation was to stop these releases and were to do a 4:3 version instead:

-Do you think they would do these 39 episodes again? If so, would you buy it?
-How do you think they'd promote it? Better yet, what would they say about the previous set (the reason they discontinued)?
-Do you think the sets would still cost around $30.00?

By the way, what's the situation with the previous Funi DVDs? Could they go up in value at any point in time. I mean, they are the only R1 bilingual DVDs available to us uncut right? They are 4:3 and for the time being, its the only way to have these episodes this way legit from season three on..
-Rick

[MajinVejitaXV]

This product has many severe, noticeable flaws. Those who have willingly purchased and enjoyed this product are sending a message to the manufacturer that they approve.

That's not just an opinion. You can say that you don't like what's been done, but when you buy this set, that's not the message you just sent FUNimation. In turn, you're effectively condoning this treatment of the series, whether you like it or not.

This is basically what ETC123 has been trying to say, though obviously in a much different way. In general, I agree with him, but it's not my intention to upset anyone or purport myself as being superior; I just want to throw out some common sense.

Agreed. I agree with ETC123's point, but I'm not gonna rub it in people's faces or assume a superior position. I think everyone knows this release is crap, or they are in denial. You don't need to be a brain when it comes to technological aspects of DVD releases or the like to realize this.

Also, am I the only one to notice that FUNimation has always charged out the ass for DBZ, and now all of the sudden it's cheap as cheap can be? Something tells me FUNimation knows this is a flawed release, and the only way they can sell it is because it's so cheap. Hell, every single review I've read points to the price as the main selling point.

Kinda sad.

-Corey

[Undercooked Sausage]

Obviously most people here would prefer a 4:3 version. However, we're not going to get one regardless of how many fanboys complain. Reason being is that organizing a boycott of this boxset in order to get the message out to FUNI that what they are giving us is insufficient is far beyond the ability of the hardcore DBZ fanbase and that the majority of us would rather spend 30 dollars on a cropped season one than try and make a demand.

Reprimanding people who bought the season boxset is a complete waste of time. Realistically, this is the best we'll get from FUNimation. It's a hopeless battle to fight.

If I can put it into relateable terms. Depeche Mode has recently been remastering their albums in a dualdisc format, many people are opposed to this and would prefer a standard CD release. Fans won't get this standard release though because not enough people give a damn. I'm personally upset about it being a huge fan of Depeche Mode, but I would hardly hold a grudge against people who are aware that complaining when you are in a niche group is futile.

[bkev]

My rental is coming in tomorrow; expect a half-assed review of the first few episodes.