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Post by Sebastian (SB) » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:44 pm

I'm going out on a limb here contributing to the whole "solar system" arguement, but didn't Cell himself state during the Cell Game after he's "Powered up like Son Gohan" "DB 35 pg. 78" that he had enough ki to blow away the entire solar system "DB 35 pg. 98". Givin' that statement it's safe to assume that a SSJ2 can indeed "blow away" an entire solar system. Then again, it can be chalked up to just a "bluff".
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Post by desirecampbell » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:49 pm

Sebastian (SB) wrote:I'm going out on a limb here contributing to the whole "solar system" arguement, but didn't Cell himself state during the Cell Game after he's "Powered up like Son Gohan" "DB 35 pg. 78" that he had enough ki to blow away the entire solar system "DB 35 pg. 98". Givin' that statement it's safe to assume that a SSJ2 can indeed "blow away" an entire solar system. Then again, it can be chalked up to just a "bluff".
Even if it wasn't a bluff, there's a difference between being powerful enough to blow up a solar system and blowing one up from an errant sneeze.

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Post by devilscry11887 » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:55 pm

I noticed this thread, and I figured you guys would this board interesting. http://neoseeker.com/forums/index.php?f ... forum&f=88
That board is full of those Vs topics.

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Post by Magneto » Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:10 am

Goku doesn't have that kind of power. He can't sneeze away a galaxy OR a solar system.
Even if it wasn't a bluff, there's a difference between being powerful enough to blow up a solar system and blowing one up from an errant sneeze.

The Sneeze is an ability that Superman has , it`s an attack just like Goku`s kamehameha or Vegeta`s Final Flash .

Besides , Gotenks broke through dimensions by screaming .

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Post by Acid_Reign » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:06 am

devilscry11887 wrote:I noticed this thread, and I figured you guys would this board interesting. http://neoseeker.com/forums/index.php?f ... forum&f=88
That board is full of those Vs topics.
Hey, (and I say this assuming you'll post here again) are the numbers in your username your birth date by any chance? Because if so, that is my exact same birthday, right down to the year. Pretty trippy stuff. :P
The Sneeze is an ability that Superman has , it`s an attack just like Goku`s kamehameha or Vegeta`s Final Flash .
Logic tells me I shouldn't engage you, but somehow I doubt that even Superman can sneeze on-cue. :roll: Besides, the comic shows him blowing away an abandoned part of space. He'd never do it on purpose; it's not part of his character.

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Post by Magneto » Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:58 am

Logic tells me I shouldn't engage you, but somehow I doubt that even Superman can sneeze on-cue. Rolling Eyes Besides, the comic shows him blowing away an abandoned part of space. He'd never do it on purpose; it's not part of his character.
Who says he did it on purpose ? He was force to sneeze because of Mxyzptlk`s sneeze pouder .

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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:15 pm

I'm pretty sure Toriyama didn't make DragonBall for the sake of versus topics and the difference between a sneeze destroying a galaxy or solar system. No one cares. These are stories meant for entertainment. If you have to analyze every little thing, then you ruin it for everyone else. Please shut up.
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Post by Acid_Reign » Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:37 pm

Magneto wrote:Who says he did it on purpose ? He was force to sneeze because of Mxyzptlk`s sneeze pouder .
So, then...how's that an ability of his?

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Post by Magneto » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:46 am

What part exactly don`t you understand ? It doesn`t matter if he wanted or didn`t want to do the sneeze , what matters is that it`s an attack just like the Z fighters have .
I'm pretty sure Toriyama didn't make DragonBall for the sake of versus topics and the difference between a sneeze destroying a galaxy or solar system. No one cares. These are stories meant for entertainment. If you have to analyze every little thing, then you ruin it for everyone else. Please shut up.
Who says he made them for the sake of vs topics ? This are just discussion made by fans who analyze feats and powers from the characters in order to compare them with other characters .

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Post by Acid_Reign » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:44 am

Magneto wrote:What part exactly don`t you understand ? It doesn`t matter if he wanted or didn`t want to do the sneeze , what matters is that it`s an attack just like the Z fighters have .
But an attack is something that you do voluntarily. Unlike the Kamehameha, Superman can not say SNEEZE and then just do it. You really can't argue otherwise, so I'm stopping this here.

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Post by MisterFlashdude » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:12 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:I'm pretty sure Toriyama didn't make DragonBall for the sake of versus topics and the difference between a sneeze destroying a galaxy or solar system. No one cares. These are stories meant for entertainment. If you have to analyze every little thing, then you ruin it for everyone else. Please shut up.
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Seconded, whole-heartedly. Please move on from the Superman sneeze debate.

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Post by Last Son of Krypton » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:55 pm

desirecampbell wrote: The biggest problem with these types of discussions is ignorance. Almost everyone's going to know more about one character than the other - and so their judgements are faulty simply because they don't have all the information. When I wrote up that Goku v. Superman page, I had talked a lot with 'Last Son of Krypton' about what Superman could actually do. Did you know there's a (non canonical) Superman that stayed inside the sun for 500 years, came out literally golden, immortal, ultra powerful, and immune to kryptonite? Yeah.
Damn, I've been gone for too long. It's actually 15,000 years, sir ;)

The problem with using Superman in this debate is that there are too many versions to choose.

Golden Age Superman - Could resist artillery fire up to tank shells. He didn't gain the ability to fly until late in his life (Up until that point he would jump to travel). He could run about 30 miles per hour. This is also the older Superman from Infinite Crisis that escaped with Lois, Alexander Luthor and Superboy Prime. His powers increased over the years, but he is considered the weakest canon version of Superman. He is, however, strong enough to tangle with Superman during Infinite Crisis, knock out Bizarro and Doomsday, and help in defeating Superboy Prime.

Silver Age Superman - Also known as Pre-Crisis Superman. This version of Superman juggled planets, flew so fast he was going to destroy creation (the Spectre had to stop him), destroyed heavenly bodies by sneezing, etc. He is a walking plot device. He was powered down after Crisis on Infinite Earths. This is considered to be the strongest canon version of Superman.

Modern Age Superman - Also known as Post-Crisis Superman. While he is weaker than his Pre-Crisis counterpart, he is still a force to be feared. He is able to fly faster than the speed of light, lift over 40 billion tons, has heat vision with a temperature hotter than the sun, and a slew of other abilities. This version of Superman halted the forward momentum of a planet with unlimited energy running through it's thrusters (Warworld after Brainiac pirated the energies of Imperiex), and withstood a blast from Imperiex that could destroy a solar system. He can move at 99% the speed of light in the Earth's atmosphere. He doesn't go light speed because of the destruction that would be caused moving at that speed. Keep in mind that this Superman is vastly weaker than his silver age counterpart.

Post Infinite Crisis Superman - Not much is known about this version. He was powerless after Infinite Crisis, but his powers have returned. He said that he is "stronger than ever" and he has his super intelligence back.

Of course, we have non-canon versions of Superman, but those are too many to list. There are simply too many.

EDIT: I forgot All-Star Superman. This version is basically a return to the Silver Age type of stories. Superman gets too close to the sun, absorbs too much solar energy, and now he is dying. His strength is tripled after the sun bath. In a test of strength, Superman is able to push back a force of 200 quintillion tons with little to no effort. And he does this with one arm...
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Post by Humpski » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:12 pm

Last Son of Krypton wrote:
desirecampbell wrote: The biggest problem with these types of discussions is ignorance. Almost everyone's going to know more about one character than the other - and so their judgements are faulty simply because they don't have all the information. When I wrote up that Goku v. Superman page, I had talked a lot with 'Last Son of Krypton' about what Superman could actually do. Did you know there's a (non canonical) Superman that stayed inside the sun for 500 years, came out literally golden, immortal, ultra powerful, and immune to kryptonite? Yeah.
Damn, I've been gone for too long. It's actually 15,000 years, sir ;)

The problem with using Superman in this debate is that there are too many versions to choose.

Golden Age Superman - Could resist artillery fire up to tank shells. He didn't gain the ability to fly until late in his life (Up until that point he would jump to travel). He could run about 30 miles per hour. This is also the older Superman from Infinite Crisis that escaped with Lois, Alexander Luthor and Superboy Prime. His powers increased over the years, but he is considered the weakest canon version of Superman. He is, however, strong enough to tangle with Superman during Infinite Crisis, knock out Bizarro and Doomsday, and help in defeating Superboy Prime.

Silver Age Superman - Also known as Pre-Crisis Superman. This version of Superman juggled planets, flew so fast he was going to destroy creation (the Spectre had to stop him), destroyed heavenly bodies by sneezing, etc. He is a walking plot device. He was powered down after Crisis on Infinite Earths. This is considered to be the strongest canon version of Superman.

Modern Age Superman - Also known as Post-Crisis Superman. While he is weaker than his Pre-Crisis counterpart, he is still a force to be feared. He is able to fly faster than the speed of light, lift over 40 billion tons, has heat vision with a temperature hotter than the sun, and a slew of other abilities. This version of Superman halted the forward momentum of a planet with unlimited energy running through it's thrusters (Warworld after Brainiac pirated the energies of Imperiex), and withstood a blast from Imperiex that could destroy a solar system. He can move at 99% the speed of light in the Earth's atmosphere. He doesn't go light speed because of the destruction that would be caused moving at that speed. Keep in mind that this Superman is vastly weaker than his silver age counterpart.

Post Infinite Crisis Superman - Not much is known about this version. He was powerless after Infinite Crisis, but his powers have returned. He said that he is "stronger than ever" and he has his super intelligence back.

Of course, we have non-canon versions of Superman, but those are too many to list. There are simply too many.

EDIT: I forgot All-Star Superman. This version is basically a return to the Silver Age type of stories. Superman gets too close to the sun, absorbs too much solar energy, and now he is dying. His strength is tripled after the sun bath. In a test of strength, Superman is able to push back a force of 200 quintillion tons with little to no effort. And he does this with one arm...
Every version of Superman there could defeat Goku with the exception of "Golden Age". I'm just being realistic. I still think superman is a douche.
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Post by Kaboom » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:25 pm

"Walking plot device" summed Supes up pretty well.

...Eh, trying to match DbZ heroes (or anyone, for that matter) up against Silver/Pre-Crisis Superman is a lost cause from the get-go. I still hold to the opinion that GT-level Goku could take down post-Crisis Superman, although it'd take SSj3 or SSj4 to do it.

I'm more surprised that this conversation is still going on at all.
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Post by caejones » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:30 am

Galactus eats Buu. Phoenix fries YiXinLong, and Mojo puts Vegeta on television only for Vegeta to give him the Zarban treatment. And Trogdor smote the Kerrek, and all was layed to burnination.
... I had a dream that ended with a "Natirian DBZ Movie6" that had... interesting things in it, such as the title of Commander Red being given to an organization that monitors the activities of the DragonBalls to make sure they weren't in evil hands, Etc, and Piccolo reading the Bible while Goku and Kuririn were fighting someone that claimed to be Goku's father (but wasn't Bardock...). Meh, ambiguous plot devices later, the closing scene is a few seconds of a Goku Vs Trogdor fight. Which I'd like to see again.

And ... what if Vegeta got a simbiote? Actually, that seems like it'd be more character-awesome with Goten, Trunks or Gohan...
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Post by Prince Vegeta » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:20 am

I know who can defeat SSJ 4 Gogeta,Spongebob Squarepants :D :!: :!:



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Post by Super Sonic » Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:01 am

Now that I think about it, an old SJ issue may have been referencing Fist of the North Star when talking about DBZ fighting moves. It mentioned pressure point touching rarely happening in DB, unlike other manga.

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Post by KinoFourpaws » Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:00 am

caejones wrote:Meh, ambiguous plot devices later, the closing scene is a few seconds of a Goku Vs Trogdor fight. Which I'd like to see again.
I wholeheartedly concur. :D
Same wrote:And ... what if Vegeta got a simbiote? Actually, that seems like it'd be more character-awesome with Goten, Trunks or Gohan...
Now, THAT kind of crossover makes more sense than any of the versus thoughts being thrown around on this thread. Man vs. Man gets boring after a while; we needs a little more inner turmoil for 'dese characters. *nods sagely*
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Post by mAcChaos » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:31 pm

Couldn't Buu just absorb everybody?
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Post by Kaboom » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:28 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Couldn't Buu just absorb everybody?
Buu with Superman absorbed.

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