Vegeta thinking Goku was a SSJ during Recoome battle

Jamstar · Post by **Jamstar** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:56 pm

When Goku took out Recoome, Vegeta assumed Goku was a SSJ on the spot or suspected he was going to become one. He was angry and thought Goku was more powerful than him. And, this was AFTER he had a senzu bean.

Why did he feel like that, after he received a senzu bean? His power level at that point was capable of breaking Frieza's scouter. Therefore it would be higher than 180,000 at least. Vegeta could of taken out Recoome with one hit as well. And, Goku wasn't even at 90,000 when fighting Recoome.

So, Vegeta with a PL that is at least higher than 180,000 is angry at Goku who had a PL lower than 180,000 when fighting Recoome. Vegeta's base level was a lot stronger than Goku's base.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:01 pm

I think it was a matter of potential, or being on the right level of power, or something.

Also, I don't think Vegeta realized that Super Saiyan was a transformation, that it was a level of power, or something.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:01 pm

He didn't really know how strong Goku was either.

Jamstar · Post by **Jamstar** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:19 pm

mAcChaos wrote:He didn't really know how strong Goku was either.

Even so. At that point, he had the ability to take out Recoome with one hit as well. Why be so surprised that Goku can do it?

Also, what was Vegeta's PL when fighting Recoome? In the Viz Manga I believe, it says he is only at 20,000. But, he was at 24,000 earlier. It didn't make sense.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:22 pm

Jamstar wrote:
mAcChaos wrote:He didn't really know how strong Goku was either.

Even so. At that point, he had the ability to take out Recoome with one hit as well. Why be so surprised that Goku can do it?

Also, what was Vegeta's PL when fighting Recoome? In the Viz Manga I believe, it says he is only at 20,000. But, he was at 24,000 earlier. It didn't make sense.

He wasn't aware of his own new power yet. Remember how he called himself a super saiyan against Freeza? Yet he was amazed Goku had become one.

Also, what was Vegeta's PL when fighting Recoome? In the Viz Manga I believe, it says he is only at 20,000. But, he was at 24,000 earlier. It didn't make sense.

30.000 according to the Daizenshuu

Jamstar · Post by **Jamstar** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:31 pm

Pieter wrote:
Jamstar wrote:
mAcChaos wrote:He didn't really know how strong Goku was either.

Even so. At that point, he had the ability to take out Recoome with one hit as well. Why be so surprised that Goku can do it?

Also, what was Vegeta's PL when fighting Recoome? In the Viz Manga I believe, it says he is only at 20,000. But, he was at 24,000 earlier. It didn't make sense.
He wasn't aware of his own new power yet. Remember how he called himself a super saiyan against Freeza? Yet he was amazed Goku had become one.

Also, what was Vegeta's PL when fighting Recoome? In the Viz Manga I believe, it says he is only at 20,000. But, he was at 24,000 earlier. It didn't make sense.
30.000 according to the Daizenshuu

I believe Nail was at 45,000 correct?

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:32 pm

Jamstar wrote:
Pieter wrote:
Jamstar wrote:
Even so. At that point, he had the ability to take out Recoome with one hit as well. Why be so surprised that Goku can do it?

Also, what was Vegeta's PL when fighting Recoome? In the Viz Manga I believe, it says he is only at 20,000. But, he was at 24,000 earlier. It didn't make sense.
He wasn't aware of his own new power yet. Remember how he called himself a super saiyan against Freeza? Yet he was amazed Goku had become one.

Also, what was Vegeta's PL when fighting Recoome? In the Viz Manga I believe, it says he is only at 20,000. But, he was at 24,000 earlier. It didn't make sense.
30.000 according to the Daizenshuu
I believe Nail was at 45,000 correct?

42,000

I just checked the manga, and it's exactly what I guessed. Vegeta was able to defeat Jeice with ease who was just as strong as Recoom, yet he was surprised to see Goku beating Recoom with one punch.

He said against Jeice that that he had only 'just come to realize' how strong he had become.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:10 pm

Jamstar wrote:Also, what was Vegeta's PL when fighting Recoome? In the Viz Manga I believe, it says he is only at 20,000. But, he was at 24,000 earlier. It didn't make sense.

Butta and Jheese stated his power was going over 20,000 as he powered up.

Lavender Saiyan · Post by **Lavender Saiyan** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:00 am

I've always had the theory that his lack of sleep didn't let his power restore fully. Remember how he took a nap before the Freeza fight? Perhaps that gave him another huge real Zenkai.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:54 am

Lavender Saiyan wrote:I've always had the theory that his lack of sleep didn't let his power restore fully. Remember how he took a nap before the Freeza fight? Perhaps that gave him another huge real Zenkai.

Same here. Vegeta hadn't slept for almost a week before the Ginyu Force arrived.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:46 am

Rocketman wrote:
Lavender Saiyan wrote:I've always had the theory that his lack of sleep didn't let his power restore fully. Remember how he took a nap before the Freeza fight? Perhaps that gave him another huge real Zenkai.
Same here. Vegeta hadn't slept for almost a week before the Ginyu Force arrived.

That's not it, because he defeated Jeice with ease before the nap.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:52 am

Jamstar wrote:Even so. At that point, he had the ability to take out Recoome with one hit as well. Why be so surprised that Goku can do it?

We have no idea if Vegeta could've "taken Recoome out with one hit". Vegeta only actually kills Recoome because, for all intents and purposes, he was nearly impaled by Goku's elbow attack and could barely move; hence his power decreased considerably. Maybe Vegeta could've defeated Recoome without Goku's attack, given the zenkai he naturally received that'd give him an advantage (like in his confrontations with Zarbon), but I doubt it was to the extent you're talking about. In any case, the main reason Vegeta was so surprised and thinking Goku was the legendary Super Saiyan was due to the extreme increase in power Goku gained between arriving on Namek and their first battle. On Earth, Goku's best Kamehame-Ha attack not only couldn't kill Vegeta (whose best base power at the time was only 18,000), but the attack was insufficient enough where Vegeta still had enough power to form an artificial moon. Yet suddenly here Goku is knocking Recoome (a fighter that just beat Vegeta to an inch of his life, whom at this point Vegeta could maybe only defeat by going all-out) as if it's no problem at all. That's the reason Vegeta was so impressed and speculating who Goku really was.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:56 am

Rocketman wrote:
Lavender Saiyan wrote:I've always had the theory that his lack of sleep didn't let his power restore fully. Remember how he took a nap before the Freeza fight? Perhaps that gave him another huge real Zenkai.
Same here. Vegeta hadn't slept for almost a week before the Ginyu Force arrived.

That's not entirely true - I'm sure he was a little run down playing Guerrilla against Freeza, but I don't remember any mention about him not sleeping. Plus, he'd been in that healing tank a mere four days before the Ginyu Force showed up.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:18 am

Conan the SSJ wrote: We have no idea if Vegeta could've "taken Recoome out with one hit". Vegeta only actually kills Recoome because, for all intents and purposes, he was nearly impaled by Goku's elbow attack and could barely move; hence his power decreased considerably. Maybe Vegeta could've defeated Recoome without Goku's attack, given the zenkai he naturally received that'd give him an advantage (like in his confrontations with Zarbon), but I doubt it was to the extent you're talking about.

Watch Vegeta vs Jeice again which happened right after. Jeice is said to be at least as strong as Recoom.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:29 am

Pieter wrote:Watch Vegeta vs Jeice again which happened right after. Jeice is said to be at least as strong as Recoom.

Maybe I missed something considered actual proof in one of the posts in this thread, when is it stated Jeice is more powerful than Recoome? Non-sarcastic dialogue from the Viz translated manga or the anime would be sufficent enough to convince me. Considering Jeice found need to team with Burter rather than go after Goku alone, and was straight up shocked at Recoome being defeated, I'd think he's really weaker.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:23 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Pieter wrote:Watch Vegeta vs Jeice again which happened right after. Jeice is said to be at least as strong as Recoom.
Maybe I missed something considered actual proof in one of the posts in this thread, when is it stated Jeice is more powerful than Recoome? Non-sarcastic dialogue from the Viz translated manga or the anime would be sufficent enough to convince me. Considering Jeice found need to team with Burter rather than go after Goku alone, and was straight up shocked at Recoome being defeated, I'd think he's really weaker.

Check the manga, right after Goku blasts Jeice and Burter away with just his Ki Krillin says "I don't think so. They have about the same power as Recoome who even Vegeta couldn't hurt".

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:28 pm

Oh god, a Power Level discussion? I thought that's what GameFAQs was for.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:02 pm

desirecampbell wrote:That's not entirely true - I'm sure he was a little run down playing Guerrilla against Freeza, but I don't remember any mention about him not sleeping. Plus, he'd been in that healing tank a mere four days before the Ginyu Force showed up.

He stays awake to guard his Dragonballs from Gohan and Krillin, since he knows they can detect them with that Radar.

That happens during the time where Gohan and Krillin are heading to the Elder Namek to awaken Gohan's hidden power.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:34 pm

I don't see any reason why Vegeta wouldn't sleep. After all, he would be right there on top of one of the dragonballs. Or if he wasn't sitting on one while sleeping, he'd be laying right there next to them. And I remember Vegeta saying he couldn't afford to leave the dragonballs, but we know he did, because the next time we see him, he has devoured some type of animal.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:34 pm

Rocketman wrote:He stays awake to guard his Dragonballs from Gohan and Krillin, since he knows they can detect them with that Radar.

That happens during the time where Gohan and Krillin are heading to the Elder Namek to awaken Gohan's hidden power.

That'd be right after he kills Zarbon, four days before the Ginyu Force arrive.

I'm not saying he's not tired, I'm just saying it wasn't a whole week without sleep.

Besides, being tired doesn't give saiyans a power boost.

Kanzenshuu

Vegeta thinking Goku was a SSJ during Recoome battle

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