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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Noah » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:25 pm

How Whis is exactly considered an antagonist/villain? I know many people speculated that prior BoG but in-movie he was more like a servant until Beerus makes the revelation that he's actually his teacher.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by FoolsGil » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:33 pm

Noah wrote:How Whis is exactly considered an antagonist/villain? I know many people speculated that prior BoG but in-movie he was more like a servant until Beerus makes the revelation that he's actually his teacher.
Guilt by Association? It wasn't like he was trying to prevent Beers from blowing up any planets.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:42 am

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Noah wrote:How Whis is exactly considered an antagonist/villain? I know many people speculated that prior BoG but in-movie he was more like a servant until Beerus makes the revelation that he's actually his teacher.
Guilt by Association? It wasn't like he was trying to prevent Beers from blowing up any planets.
Okay, why are you deliberately using an outdated translation when you know you're removing one of the puns for his name?
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:04 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, why are you deliberately using an outdated translation when you know you're removing one of the puns for his name?
How is Beers an outdated translation and who does it remove the pun? It's not like he called him Bills or anything.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Soppa Saia People » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:09 am

DanielSSJ wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, why are you deliberately using an outdated translation when you know you're removing one of the puns for his name?
How is Beers an outdated translation and who does it remove the pun? It's not like he called him Bills or anything.
It gets rid of the virus pun. How the fuck "Bills" is still a thing, I don't know.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:13 am

DanielSSJ wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, why are you deliberately using an outdated translation when you know you're removing one of the puns for his name?
How is Beers an outdated translation and who does it remove the pun? It's not like he called him Bills or anything.
It's a double pun.

Beer and Virus.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:17 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, why are you deliberately using an outdated translation when you know you're removing one of the puns for his name?
How is Beers an outdated translation and who does it remove the pun? It's not like he called him Bills or anything.
It's a double pun.

Beer and Virus.
I think "Beerus" is stupid so I call him "Beers". I also say "Turles" to "Tullece", "Chaozu" to "Chiatzu," "Tenshinhan" to "Tien Shin Han" and if I don't call him "Mark", I call Satan "Hercule." It's what I prefer.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Fionordequester » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:22 am

Anyone else predicting Black & Zamasu being at No. 1? It's where I'd have em', personally.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Soppa Saia People » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:27 am

FoolsGil wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote: How is Beers an outdated translation and who does it remove the pun? It's not like he called him Bills or anything.
It's a double pun.

Beer and Virus.
I think "Beerus" is stupid so I call him "Beers". I also say "Turles" to "Tullece", "Chaozu" to "Chiatzu," "Tenshinhan" to "Tien Shin Han" and if I don't call him "Mark", I call Satan "Hercule." It's what I prefer.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:37 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:It's a double pun.
Beer and Virus.
Soppa Saia People wrote:It gets rid of the virus pun. How the fuck "Bills" is still a thing, I don't know.
The reason they named him after the word Virus was because in the original draft, he was the one to spread evil among the Saiyans, right? If so, is that part still relevant? Mind you, I'm not saying that we should all switch from Beerus to Beers, but as far as I know, it is a valid translation. Heck, I just checked my copy of Battle of Gods and the subtitles spell his name Beers, so that's something.
Bills of course is a misguided translation that completely misses the pun and is basically the same thing as calling Kuririn "Krillin" or Tullece "Turles". Or calling Blooma "Bulma", but that one is Toriyama's fault.
Fionordequester wrote:Anyone else predicting Black & Zamasu being at No. 1? It's where I'd have em', personally.
They've already covered Super's antagonists in another video, and aside from Beerus (who technically appeared in Dragon Ball Z first anyways), none of the Super cast is going to be making the list. They say that since Super is still airing, it's too soon to call.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Fionordequester » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:50 am

DanielSSJ wrote:Bills of course is a misguided translation that completely misses the pun and is basically the same thing as calling Kuririn "Krillin" or Tullece "Turles". Or calling Blooma "Bulma", but that one is Toriyama's fault.
To be fair, I can't imagine anyone really being able to pronounce "Kuririn" in America, and Krillin is at least phonetically close to KOO-REE-REEN (the way "Kuririn" is pronounced, except slurred a little more). And Season 3 was bad enough as it was; just imagine listening to those same actors constantly yelling "KER-REH-REN" the same way they yelled "KAY-OH-KEN" :lol: !!
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:03 am

Fionordequester wrote: To be fair, I can't imagine anyone really being able to pronounce "Kuririn" in America, and Krillin is at least phonetically close to KOO-REE-REEN (the way "Kuririn" is pronounced, except slurred a little more). And Season 3 was bad enough as it was; just imagine listening to those same actors constantly yelling "KER-REH-REN" the same way they yelled "KAY-OH-KEN" :lol: !!
It's really not all that hard to pronounce.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Fionordequester » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:43 am

DanielSSJ wrote: It's really not all that hard to pronounce.
Not when you sound it out one vowel at a time. But when you're trying to throw it into a whole sentence, while still trying to deliver emotional lines in a convincing way? You're gonna stumble over it if you're not someone versed in Japanese. I don't think changing that particular name was a bad thing.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".

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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:47 am

Fionordequester wrote: Not when you sound it out one vowel at a time. But when you're trying to throw it into a whole sentence, while still trying to deliver emotional lines in a convincing way? You're gonna stumble over it if you're not someone versed in Japanese. I don't think changing that particular name was a bad thing.
I use it in normal conversation and I'm not versed in Japanese at all, besides what I pick up from anime. If you want an example of how it is used in regular speech, try MistareFusion's (otherwise known as Gaffer Tape around here) Dragon Ball Dissection videos, which even has its own thread. Actually, just watch his videos regardless, because every Dragon Ball fan should watch them as they are wonderful.

Anyways, to get back on topic, I'm betting the order of the next four villains will look something like this:
[spoiler]4. Cell
3. Piccolo Daimao
2. Vegeta
1. Freeza[/spoiler]
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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:00 am

I'm honestly delighted that Beerus (and Whis) were able to crack into the top five. :mrgreen:

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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:19 pm

Coming on Number #4 is.....
[spoiler]Cell[/spoiler]
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Post by FoolsGil » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:26 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:Coming on Number #4 is.....
[spoiler]Cell[/spoiler]
Yeah that sounds about right. He's good, but not top 3 good.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:46 pm

Cell is good, it's just the moment he hits Perfection he falls flat. His imperfections were what made his personality shine and led him to be more interesting. Once he's perfect he trades personality for the coolest villain design I think we've ever had which is a shame.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:52 pm

Cell's Imperfect incarnation was hands-down the most entertaining of the character. He was cunning, unpredictable and acted like he was straight out of a horror movie.

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