The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dragon boss z]

Pamput destroyed a wall with a simple elbow smash and Nam can jump hundreds of feet in the air. He also fought on par with Goku on the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai so he probably could fight faster than eyesight.

Also comic book standards for what's normal strength-wise is obviously much different from real-life. Beating up a guy like Pintar isn't really superhuman.

Mr. Satan destroyed 14 brikcs with one chop. That is almost as good as breaking a cement wall. Ya Nam is way above Mr. Satan, but he is also above Pamput.

Well, actually, I don't think breaking 14 bricks is an amazing feat as breaking a very very thick wall. I would say Pamput is around Goku or Roshi's level considering Goku broke the same thick wall (if I remember correctly) and with a bit more effort too. In the 22nd Budokai, Roshi admitted that Pamput was a very strong fighter in comparison to human level, which is around the 21st Budokai level.

I have another round:
Tien (Buu Saga) vs Cooler's Armored Squadron

21st Roshi or Goku is way too high. They can catch machine gun fire. Pamput doesn't even have a feat that puts him on pre 21st yamcha level. Yamcha knocked Goku through multiple stone pillars when they first met.

[dragonball0900]

Mr. Satan destroyed 14 brikcs with one chop. That is almost as good as breaking a cement wall. Ya Nam is way above Mr. Satan, but he is also above Pamput.

Well, actually, I don't think breaking 14 bricks is an amazing feat as breaking a very very thick wall. I would say Pamput is around Goku or Roshi's level considering Goku broke the same thick wall (if I remember correctly) and with a bit more effort too. In the 22nd Budokai, Roshi admitted that Pamput was a very strong fighter in comparison to human level, which is around the 21st Budokai level.

I have another round:
Tien (Buu Saga) vs Cooler's Armored Squadron

21st Roshi or Goku is way too high. They can catch machine gun fire. Pamput doesn't even have a feat that puts him on pre 21st yamcha level. Yamcha knocked Goku through multiple stone pillars when they first met.

Yeah, now that I think about it, I probably overrated Pamput a bit, although who says that Pamput may not be able to do that? Just with bigger effort though. I still personally think he's above Yamcha, and somewhere around Nam, since Pamput did use the elbow effortlessly to destroy the wall. Also, Roshi considered him to be one of those top guys of a human level. While Goku and Krillin before their training, according to Roshi, were still much below the barrier of the human level. Although I guess Pamput's strenght is a matter of personal opinions.

[dragon boss z]

Tien (Buu Saga) vs Cooler's Armored Squadron

Yeah, now that I think about it, I probably overrated Pamput a bit, although who says that Pamput may not be able to do that? Just with bigger effort though. I still personally think he's above Yamcha, and somewhere around Nam, since Pamput did use the elbow effortlessly to destroy the wall. Also, Roshi considered him to be one of those top guys of a human level. While Goku and Krillin before their training, according to Roshi, were still much below the barrier of the human level. Although I guess Pamput's strenght is a matter of personal opinions.

Pamput was just an actor. His best feat is something Yamcha could of easily done.

And I think Cooler's armored squadron would beat tien if it's all three of them.

[dragonball0900]

Tien (Buu Saga) vs Cooler's Armored Squadron

Yeah, now that I think about it, I probably overrated Pamput a bit, although who says that Pamput may not be able to do that? Just with bigger effort though. I still personally think he's above Yamcha, and somewhere around Nam, since Pamput did use the elbow effortlessly to destroy the wall. Also, Roshi considered him to be one of those top guys of a human level. While Goku and Krillin before their training, according to Roshi, were still much below the barrier of the human level. Although I guess Pamput's strenght is a matter of personal opinions.

Pamput was just an actor. His best feat is something Yamcha could of easily done.

And I think Cooler's armored squadron would beat tien if it's all three of them.

Agreed, I guess that puts Mr Satan probably below Yamcha. Though I still put Pamput middle to top 21st Budokai level, since Roshi stated that Pamput was around the top of a human level, and Roshi told Goku and Krillin at their training that they've yet to surpass the barrier. And it was only in the 22nd Budokai where Goku and the rest were already leagues above the human level, making the 21st Budokai probably like the transition in the barrier.

[dragon boss z]

Tien (Buu Saga) vs Cooler's Armored Squadron

Yeah, now that I think about it, I probably overrated Pamput a bit, although who says that Pamput may not be able to do that? Just with bigger effort though. I still personally think he's above Yamcha, and somewhere around Nam, since Pamput did use the elbow effortlessly to destroy the wall. Also, Roshi considered him to be one of those top guys of a human level. While Goku and Krillin before their training, according to Roshi, were still much below the barrier of the human level. Although I guess Pamput's strenght is a matter of personal opinions.

Pamput was just an actor. His best feat is something Yamcha could of easily done.

And I think Cooler's armored squadron would beat tien if it's all three of them.

Agreed, I guess that puts Mr Satan probably below Yamcha. Though I still put Pamput middle to top 21st Budokai level, since Roshi stated that Pamput was around the top of a human level, and Roshi told Goku and Krillin at their training that they've yet to surpass the barrier. And it was only in the 22nd Budokai where Goku and the rest were already leagues above the human level, making the 21st Budokai probably like the transition in the barrier.

Roshi said that Goku and Krillin surpassed the human barrier after their training. It was only before their Roshi training when they were still in the human barrier.

[TobyS]

I have Ten slightly below Base Goku, who is between 50-90% of fibal freeza. If the AS are individually weaker than third form freeza then Ten slaughters if they are near final freeza ten kikohos em. If he cant kikoho then he goes down, probably taking one or two with him before.

[DBZAOTA482]

I don't think he nearly broke his hand breaking the tiles. It just hurt. And braking 14 tiles isn't easy at all. Not as good as breaking a concrete wall, but it shouldn't be more than a couple times less of a feat (as long as they weren't easy to break tiles).

Seeing as martial artists have matched or surpassed Mr. Satan's feat in real-life while it's straight up impossible for a human in real-life to destroy a wall with their bare hands... I'd say yes it's way less impressive.

[Angelus]

Androids Saga pre-ROSAT Base Gohan with Kaiokenx10 VS Android #20 (post-absorbing Vegeta's ki blast)

[dragonball0900]

Pamput was just an actor. His best feat is something Yamcha could of easily done.

And I think Cooler's armored squadron would beat tien if it's all three of them.

Agreed, I guess that puts Mr Satan probably below Yamcha. Though I still put Pamput middle to top 21st Budokai level, since Roshi stated that Pamput was around the top of a human level, and Roshi told Goku and Krillin at their training that they've yet to surpass the barrier. And it was only in the 22nd Budokai where Goku and the rest were already leagues above the human level, making the 21st Budokai probably like the transition in the barrier.

Roshi said that Goku and Krillin surpassed the human barrier after their training. It was only before their Roshi training when they were still in the human barrier.

Yeah, I suppose you're right, because now I remember Roshi said he has already surpassed the barrier, so Goku and Krillin should have already done it too. However, before their training, they were still much below the barrier, while Pamput was near the top. I suppose that makes Pamput stronger than BOD Yamcha, but weaker than 21st Budokai Krillin. I now personally would have him around Giran, who would win with the gum.

Androids Saga pre-ROSAT Base Gohan with Kaiokenx10 VS Android #20 (post-absorbing Vegeta's ki blast)

I have Android 20 win, as I have Gohan with 4 million, and would get to 40 million, while A20 after Vegeta's blast would be much stronger than that.

[dragon boss z]

I don't think he nearly broke his hand breaking the tiles. It just hurt. And braking 14 tiles isn't easy at all. Not as good as breaking a concrete wall, but it shouldn't be more than a couple times less of a feat (as long as they weren't easy to break tiles).

Seeing as martial artists have matched or surpassed Mr. Satan's feat in real-life while it's straight up impossible for a human in real-life to destroy a wall with their bare hands... I'd say yes it's way less impressive.

No body in real life has come close to Mr. Satan's feats. Mr. Satan brought his hand through the stone tiles as he destroyed them. In real life people only hit the top one and the force of gravity of the tops ones breaking also breaks the bottom ones. Also like I showed Mr. Satan was slammed into a stone wall breaking it and got up right after. Also Mr. Satan can jump an do multiple flips in the air. He is like comic Batman tier.

[dragon boss z]

Androids Saga pre-ROSAT Base Gohan with Kaiokenx10 VS Android #20 (post-absorbing Vegeta's ki blast)

Android 20. I highly odubt base Gohan is even close to base Goku when he fought Frieza, but lets highball and say he was. That would give him a power level of 3 mil, and kaioken x10 would give him 30 mil. I'm pretty sure androids 20 would be above that after absorbing Vegeta's ki blast, if he wasn't above that already.

[DBZAOTA482]

No body in real life has come close to Mr. Satan's feats. Mr. Satan brought his hand through the stone tiles as he destroyed them. In real life people only hit the top one and the force of gravity of the tops ones breaking also breaks the bottom ones. Also like I showed Mr. Satan was slammed into a stone wall breaking it and got up right after. Also Mr. Satan can jump an do multiple flips in the air. He is like comic Batman tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7961qJwXQ8 (and it doesn't matter if he struck through if he nearly broke his hand doing so)

Also like I said him surviving getting slammed into a wall is a gag scene especially considering he nearly died from a bullet in a serious scene despite not being hit in a vital spot.

Show me where Mr. Satan was doing multiple flips in the air cause last I checked he did none of the sort.

[dragonball0900]

Many people will fall into this. I don't know why, but I'm sure.

Goku from the 22nd Budokai vs Yamcha from the 23rd Budokai

[DanielSSJ]

Many people will fall into this. I don't know why, but I'm sure.

Goku from the 22nd Budokai vs Yamcha from the 23rd Budokai

Even if you go by the official numbers and believe Goku to be the the one with greater raw power, Yamcha's probably more skilled and has better Ki control, so I'd put my money on him.

[DBZAOTA482]

Many people will fall into this. I don't know why, but I'm sure.

Goku from the 22nd Budokai vs Yamcha from the 23rd Budokai

Yamcha one-shots.

[dragon boss z]

No body in real life has come close to Mr. Satan's feats. Mr. Satan brought his hand through the stone tiles as he destroyed them. In real life people only hit the top one and the force of gravity of the tops ones breaking also breaks the bottom ones. Also like I showed Mr. Satan was slammed into a stone wall breaking it and got up right after. Also Mr. Satan can jump an do multiple flips in the air. He is like comic Batman tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7961qJwXQ8 (and it doesn't matter if he struck through if he nearly broke his hand doing so)

Also like I said him surviving getting slammed into a wall is a gag scene especially considering he nearly died from a bullet in a serious scene despite not being hit in a vital spot.

Show me where Mr. Satan was doing multiple flips in the air cause last I checked he did none of the sort.

Did you not read my post... I said Mr. Satan didn't use gravity. That guy clearly and obviously did.... 90% of those blocks broke from the weight of the top ones hitting them... Mr. Satan's hand went from the top one and shredded through the stone all the way to the bottom.

I'm not sure about the manga, but in the anime Mr. Satan has some super human jumping feats.





And mister Satan's pupil who is much weaker than him could do this.

[dragonball0900]

Many people will fall into this. I don't know why, but I'm sure.

Goku from the 22nd Budokai vs Yamcha from the 23rd Budokai

Yamcha one-shots.

Glad to see you didn't fall in the bad 180 power level! Yes. I agree. Yamcha wins this completely.

[DBZAOTA482]

No body in real life has come close to Mr. Satan's feats. Mr. Satan brought his hand through the stone tiles as he destroyed them. In real life people only hit the top one and the force of gravity of the tops ones breaking also breaks the bottom ones. Also like I showed Mr. Satan was slammed into a stone wall breaking it and got up right after. Also Mr. Satan can jump an do multiple flips in the air. He is like comic Batman tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7961qJwXQ8 (and it doesn't matter if he struck through if he nearly broke his hand doing so)

Also like I said him surviving getting slammed into a wall is a gag scene especially considering he nearly died from a bullet in a serious scene despite not being hit in a vital spot.

Show me where Mr. Satan was doing multiple flips in the air cause last I checked he did none of the sort.

Did you not read my post... I said Mr. Satan didn't use gravity. That guy clearly and obviously did.... 90% of those blocks broke from the weight of the top ones hitting them... Mr. Satan's hand went from the top one and shredded through the stone all the way to the bottom.

I'm not sure about the manga, but in the anime Mr. Satan has some super human jumping feats.





And mister Satan's pupil who is much weaker than him could do this.

Still doesn't matter considering Mr. Satan nearly broke his hand doing so.

Also filler doesn't count since they tend to disregard power level consistency for the "cool" factor.

[dragon boss z]

Still doesn't matter considering Mr. Satan nearly broke his hand doing so.

Also filler doesn't count since they tend to disregard power level consistency for the "cool" factor.

I agree filler disregards power levels, lol. King Vegeta busting 3 planets with the raise of his hand comes to mind.

[apex_pretador]

Chi Chi [peak Strength] vs Mr Satan [Peak]

ChiChi kills him with a poke.

Many people will fall into this. I don't know why, but I'm sure.

Goku from the 22nd Budokai vs Yamcha from the 23rd Budokai

Really? Yamcha was able to follow Goku vs Tien going at young piccolo daimao (full power) , able to hurt Kami, who finger-flicked post daimao goku.
Yamcha finger-flicks goku.