Did the Z fighters trained during the 5 years between the Piccolo saga and the Raditz saga?

[dragonball0900]

Now, I think we can take out Goku, Piccolo, Tien and Chiaotzu from the list since we know they train all the time. But I'm talking more specifically about Yamcha and Krillin here. Do you know if they got stronger or weaker during those 5 years? Probably Yamcha stayed the same, who knows, but did Krillin train slightly during those years?

[Pantalones]

It doesn't seem like anybody really got huge boosts during that time period -- so I'm guessing the training that took place was mostly devoted to developing new techniques (in Piccolo's case, and possibly Krillin's too since I don't think the Kienzan ever appeared before Z) and training just enough to keep their current strength or get very gradual increases, rather than getting weaker from slacking off.

[DBZAOTA482]

Everyone except Yamcha and Yajirobe I think were training but I think more to keep in shape than to make major gains with Piccolo training the hardest of them all.

[sintzu]

Didin't Goku tell Roshi he hadn't done much ?

[MFR55]

I though it was a time of relative Peace and not much practice since they did not went 2 train with kamisama till the start of the saiyan saga

[precita]

Well Yamcha became a baseball player.

[nickzambuto]

Goku told Roshi he hadn't done much. Ultimately, winning the Budokai and being declared the strongest man under Heaven was a bad thing for him, because without a concrete wall or goal to strive towards, Goku wasn't motivated to grow stronger.

Piccolo developed the Makankasospaghetti, but we know that he wasn't really training with any serious conviction either since the gap between him and Goku didn't change. He just wasn't motivated, he didn't know his purpose in life at that time.

Krillin and Yamcha were both pretty content as well. There's no reason Tenshinhan shouldn't have been training however, so it's a bit of a plot hole that he didn't catch up to Goku. His 250 battle power is actually a big plot hole no matter what because it's below weighted Goku, even though he was shown stronger than weighted Goku when they fought.

[dragonball0900]

Goku told Roshi he hadn't done much. Ultimately, winning the Budokai and being declared the strongest man under Heaven was a bad thing for him, because without a concrete wall or goal to strive towards, Goku wasn't motivated to grow stronger.

Piccolo developed the Makankasospaghetti, but we know that he wasn't really training with any serious conviction either since the gap between him and Goku didn't change. He just wasn't motivated, he didn't know his purpose in life at that time.

Krillin and Yamcha were both pretty content as well. There's no reason Tenshinhan shouldn't have been training however, so it's a bit of a plot hole that he didn't catch up to Goku. His 250 battle power is actually a big plot hole no matter what because it's below weighted Goku, even though he was shown stronger than weighted Goku when they fought.

I thought Goku did train in the 5 year period. Goku, as well as Piccolo, was very determined to fight him again, I doubt he would give up the training just because he's the winner of the Budokai, he knew Piccolo is not only a threat, but also a good rival. Piccolo would also want to get stronger in order to defeat Goku. Also I can't see where in the manga Goku said he hadn't done much. And maybe he got a possible zenkai after the 23rd Tournament and that's what gave his boost in power from being weaker than Tien to be stronger with the weights. So I think that just like Tien did, Piccolo and Goku should have trained a lot as well.

[nickzambuto]

Goku told Roshi he hadn't done much. Ultimately, winning the Budokai and being declared the strongest man under Heaven was a bad thing for him, because without a concrete wall or goal to strive towards, Goku wasn't motivated to grow stronger.

Piccolo developed the Makankasospaghetti, but we know that he wasn't really training with any serious conviction either since the gap between him and Goku didn't change. He just wasn't motivated, he didn't know his purpose in life at that time.

Krillin and Yamcha were both pretty content as well. There's no reason Tenshinhan shouldn't have been training however, so it's a bit of a plot hole that he didn't catch up to Goku. His 250 battle power is actually a big plot hole no matter what because it's below weighted Goku, even though he was shown stronger than weighted Goku when they fought.

I thought Goku did train in the 5 year period. Goku, as well as Piccolo, was very determined to fight him again, I doubt he would give up the training just because he's the winner of the Budokai, he knew Piccolo is not only a threat, but also a good rival. Piccolo would also want to get stronger in order to defeat Goku. Also I can't see where in the manga Goku said he hadn't done much. And maybe he got a possible zenkai after the 23rd Tournament and that's what gave his boost in power from being weaker than Tien to be stronger with the weights. So I think that just like Tien did, Piccolo and Goku should have trained a lot as well.

It's already difficult enough to fit everything from Pilaf to Raditz in between battle powers of 10 and 416, giving Goku another five years of training just makes it impossible lol.

[dragonball0900]

It's already difficult enough to fit everything from Pilaf to Raditz in between battle powers of 10 and 416, giving Goku another five years of training just makes it impossible lol.

The same would happen with Tien, right ? Goku actually trained at the time, it's just that the concept of power levels wasn't introduced until that point. It would make more sense the situation of Weighted Goku being stronger than Tien by DBZ.

[TobyS]

Jesus Christ I'm sick of this Yamcha (and humans/non saiyans in general) bashing.

At that era all of them were committed martial artists.

People keep trying to extend and push back any period where any non saiyan was not training.

Eventually we are going to see posts saying “Did Krillin stop training while training with roshi” “did Yamcha do any training while he was training on kaiosamas planet”

“did Tenshinhan lie about training for the androids while everyone including the humans demonstratably trained for the androids”


“did Piccolo never actually train ever even though Toriyama stated he trains all the time in his free time like Goku and Vegeta.”

All we know from canon is that Kuririn stopped training at some point after Cell (he might not have stopped till the last year of that 7 who knows) and started again before the tournament. He still trains as of Yo Son Goku! He stops again at some point by Super but then starts again during Super.

Yamcha didn't enter the tournament and one dumb guidebook (the kind that say Popo = over 1000) Goten=Gohan and therefore kid Trunks > Gohan) said he retired from martial arts (which doesn't preclude training IMO, could just competing.) Regardless he still trains/starts again as of Yo Son Goku! Yamcha not being in the tournament is just Toriyama deciding he'd rather draw a retired borderline rapist being on the team instead of someone that makes sense given the stakes.

Pre z power levels are total bullshit so the percieved lack of “improvement” in numerical terms means nothing.

[FoolsGil]

Tenshinhan's a big indicator that they weren't training.

[dragonball0900]

Tenshinhan's a big indicator that they weren't training.

Where's the proof that Tenshinhan didn't train? He always trains, even at peaceful times.

[FoolsGil]

Tenshinhan's a big indicator that they weren't training.

Where's the proof that Tenshinhan didn't train? He always trains, even at peaceful times.

Then why was his power level at only 260, when Goku who was too busy with a family to train adequately had a power level of 416? Tenshinhan should have been a lot closer to someone who's been taking it easy for 5 years, if he was in fact training.

[dragonball0900]

Then why was his power level at only 260, when Goku who was too busy with a family to train adequately had a power level of 416? Tenshinhan should have been a lot closer to someone who's been taking it easy for 5 years, if he was in fact training.

We know Goku had a family, but that doesn't stop him from training, specially since Piccolo was around, and we know that Piccolo also trained a lot, they both trained to fight each other again. And we also know that Goku was just slightly stronger than Piccolo in the Raditz saga.

[FoolsGil]

Then why was his power level at only 260, when Goku who was too busy with a family to train adequately had a power level of 416? Tenshinhan should have been a lot closer to someone who's been taking it easy for 5 years, if he was in fact training.

We know Goku had a family, but that doesn't stop him from training, specially since Piccolo was around, and we know that Piccolo also trained a lot, they both trained to fight each other again. And we also know that Goku was just slightly stronger than Piccolo in the Raditz saga.

But why is Tenshinhan only at 260? That is quite low for someone who trains all the time, and doesn't have a family to eat up his time. He should be within 100, maybe even 50 from Goku and Piccolo.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Then why was his power level at only 260, when Goku who was too busy with a family to train adequately had a power level of 416? Tenshinhan should have been a lot closer to someone who's been taking it easy for 5 years, if he was in fact training.

We know Goku had a family, but that doesn't stop him from training, specially since Piccolo was around, and we know that Piccolo also trained a lot, they both trained to fight each other again. And we also know that Goku was just slightly stronger than Piccolo in the Raditz saga.

But why is Tenshinhan only at 260? That is quite low for someone who trains all the time, and doesn't have a family to eat up his time. He should be within 100, maybe even 50 from Goku and Piccolo.

260 is the same level he was at during the 23rd Budokai, so this suggests he didn't improve at all.

[dragonball0900]

260 is the same level he was at during the 23rd Budokai, so this suggests he didn't improve at all.

There's no level of him at the Budokai. It has to be less than 250, that was his level on Z, not on the Budokai.

But why is Tenshinhan only at 260? That is quite low for someone who trains all the time, and doesn't have a family to eat up his time. He should be within 100, maybe even 50 from Goku and Piccolo.

There was a big difference between Tien and Piccolo/Goku's power back in the 23rd Budokai. I'd assume the difference kept the same since they all trained. In the Budokai I have Tien probably at 235.

[TheUltimateNinja]

260 is the same level he was at during the 23rd Budokai, so this suggests he didn't improve at all.

There's no level of him at the Budokai. It has to be less than 250, that was his level on Z, not on the Budokai.

260 is Young Piccolo's official power level, and 23rd Budokai Tenshinhan was just as strong as him.

[dragonball0900]

260 is Young Piccolo's official power level, and 23rd Budokai Tenshinhan was just as strong as him.

Tien was actually stronger than King Piccolo, since he manages to beat a weighted Goku with a speed equal to Piccolo.
Also, I don't believe on that 260 number (like the 180 numbers or the 10 number, since they don't make sense if you read the manga). King Piccolo can't be that strong if Tien was 250 in DBZ. Also if King Piccolo had 260, I doubt that by DBZ a 206 Krillin wouldn't manage to make a good fight against King Piccolo, judging by what we saw in the Budokai.

It has to be 206 Krillin (DBZ) < King Piccolo < Tien (23rd) < 250 Tien (DBZ)