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Post by Nejishiki » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:08 am

kinisking wrote:We don't know how long it takes for them to master it, and obviously it was worth it since he learned it in the first place. Everyone else is just as adept at learning techniques as Goku. Also, kaioken is extremely worth it for non-saiyans because they seem to have hit a brick wall from regular training. Piccolo could train for a decade and not multiply his power 20x like he could just by learning kaioken in less than a year.
The worthiness of a mastered Kaio-ken technique wasn't under fire on my end so I'm sorry you felt it was "obvious" when I understood the same concept. I merely provided explanation for why Dragon Team moved on from it. Concerning their (the human trio 'n human-raised alien) growth, that's more an element of never branching out. They don't practice with comparable rivals nor attempt new training methods. Precedence exists where training for the sake of training does nothing substantial in the long run, even for Goku. Martial artists require fresh material & opponents that aren't too superior by comparison.

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Post by simtek34 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:49 am

Do the Tankōban reprints from a few years ago contain any of the changes found in the Kanzenban, such as the Welcome sign or the ending?

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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by Nejishiki » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:55 pm

simtek34 wrote:Do the Tankōban reprints from a few years ago contain any of the changes found in the Kanzenban, such as the Welcome sign or the ending?
As far as I remember, Shueisha continues to publish the original & "refreshed" tankoubon editions without kanzenban edition additions. It has new spine art though! :)

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Post by Gog » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:27 pm

Why does Frost have shoe-like feet? Its just honestly distracting, also why does he look like he's wearing pants?

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Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:30 pm

Gog wrote:Also why does he look like he's wearing pants?
You are aware Golden Freeza has the same leg design, yes? He was "wearing pants" before it was cool Frost was.
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Post by Gog » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:32 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
Gog wrote:Also why does he look like he's wearing pants?
You are aware Golden Freeza has the same leg design, yes? He was "wearing pants" before it was cool Frost was.
But Golden Freeza was a further evolution, Frost is literally in the finial form. He's not in the golden form, so theirs no excuse for him.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:33 pm

Gog wrote:But Golden Freeza was a further evolution, Frost is literally in the finial form. He's not in the golden form, so theirs no excuse for him.
Frost was probably just born that way; the same reason he has different colors and features.
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Post by Gog » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:37 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
Gog wrote:But Golden Freeza was a further evolution, Frost is literally in the finial form. He's not in the golden form, so theirs no excuse for him.
Frost was probably just born that way; the same reason he has different colors and features.
I know he was born that way, its just that I can tolerate the pant's, but the fact that he looks like he's wearing shoes, is just ridiculous.

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Post by simtek34 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:43 pm

Does anybody have any pictures of the of the Long-Lost Chapter 12 Title Page, as seen in the Digest Edtion Vol 1?

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Post by Noah » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:42 pm

Nejishiki wrote:It has new spine art though! :)
What do you mean?
Gog wrote:I know he was born that way, its just that I can tolerate the pant's, but the fact that he looks like he's wearing shoes, is just ridiculous.
Me too and the fact that in his shoulders (First Form) resembles the Saiyan armor shoulder pads, it just make his design cheap and less appealing to me.
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Post by Gog » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:53 pm

Noah wrote:
Nejishiki wrote:It has new spine art though! :)
What do you mean?
Gog wrote:I know he was born that way, its just that I can tolerate the pant's, but the fact that he looks like he's wearing shoes, is just ridiculous.
Me too and the fact that in his shoulders (First Form) resembles the Saiyan armor shoulder pads, it just make his design cheap and less appealing to me.
You could make an argument that Toriyama forgot, as their is literally no way besides that.

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Post by Nejishiki » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:48 am

Noah wrote:
Nejishiki wrote:It has new spine art though! :)
What do you mean?
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Post by kinisking » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:02 pm

Isn't SS Goku equal to Godku rather than base ?
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Post by Nejishiki » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:28 am

kinisking wrote:Isn't SS Goku equal to Godku rather than base ?
Battle of Gods
When Super Saiyan God expires, Goku continues the fight with Beerus without noticing anything different about himself. Curiously, he still doesn't notice anything different when he unconsciously transforms into a Super Saiyan. Beerus provides elaboration that Goku didn't "power down significantly" from Super Saiyan God's expiration. However you slice it, "equal" is not the term anyone should use.
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Goku doesn't feel Super Saiyan God wearing off & comments how he "doesn't feel weaker". Instead of Beerus claiming Goku absorbed the world of Super Saiyan God like in the film, he instead claims that the power of Super Saiyan God didn't disappear & merged with Goku. You can interpret that as his current state being equal to Super Saiyan God, I suppose... :think:
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Goku doesn't absorb or merge with Super Saiyan God, it's a standard transformation.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:41 am

Gog wrote:Why does Frost have shoe-like feet? Its just honestly distracting, also why does he look like he's wearing pants?
:lol:
That irked me a lot too when he was first introduced..
Just take it as his natural design
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Post by kinisking » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:53 am

Nejishiki wrote:
kinisking wrote:Isn't SS Goku equal to Godku rather than base ?
Battle of Gods
When Super Saiyan God expires, Goku continues the fight with Beerus without noticing anything different about himself. Curiously, he still doesn't notice anything different when he unconsciously transforms into a Super Saiyan. Beerus provides elaboration that Goku didn't "power down significantly" from Super Saiyan God's expiration. However you slice it, "equal" is not the term anyone should use.
Dragon Ball Super
Goku doesn't feel Super Saiyan God wearing off & comments how he "doesn't feel weaker". Instead of Beerus claiming Goku absorbed the world of Super Saiyan God like in the film, he instead claims that the power of Super Saiyan God didn't disappear & merged with Goku. You can interpret that as his current state being equal to Super Saiyan God, I suppose... :think:
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Goku doesn't absorb or merge with Super Saiyan God, it's a standard transformation.
Yeah, I asked because I realised that Goku was in SS when Beerus said that. That would imply that SS is ssgod yet everyone tends to say base is. That would make power level issues less bad imo.
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Post by ABED » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:30 am

Kai feels like The Richard Donner cut of Superman II. It's messy, but entertaining, and gives an idea of how it probably should've been handled. In SII's case, if Donner hadn't been fired, and in Kai's case, if they hadn't been forced to add so much filler to keep up their schedule of a weekly TV show without getting ahead of the manga.
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Post by Yedis » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:24 pm

I am amazed at how much fan art has been produced of the new Super Characters already, (Clown God of Destruction, Female Broly, Angel with Pigtails, etc). We don't even have names yet. Talented people in the community.

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Post by Noah » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:50 pm

ABED wrote:Kai feels like The Richard Donner cut of Superman II. It's messy, but entertaining, and gives an idea of how it probably should've been handled.
My only problem with Kai is that should begin from DB instead of Z with no pause and if Kenji Yamamoto wasn't plagiarist, he should been kept as the music composer from the beginning to the end of the show.
Yedis wrote:I am amazed at how much fan art has been produced of the new Super Characters already, (Clown God of Destruction, Female Broly, Angel with Pigtails, etc). We don't even have names yet. Talented people in the community.
Me too! It seems Dragon Ball inspires a lot of people around the globe :D
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Post by SaiyanGod117 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:50 pm

Toei should have launched Dragon Ball Super internationally and the Dub should have gotten here sooner.

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