Two Broly movies, from FUNi, coming to Blu-Ray.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:30 am

Big props to godofchaos for bringing this up. Apparently, FUNi intend to release two of the Broly DBZ movies to Blu-Ray, most likely being movies 8 and 10 which we got glimpses of in the Season 1 tech trailer. Now personally, I don't have plans for a full HD setup or Ps3 any time soon, so needless to say I'm not a resolution nut (no offense intended to those proud of their superior setups). However, even if I had, there is no way in Hell I'd be getting these releases. Sure they'll be in 16:9 as these were actually meant to be seen, but the detail and color will be so blurred into oblivion that it'd be like watching garbage on an HD setup, not to mention FUNi's film prints of them are probably no better than the hair/rips/whatnot clattered prints acquired for he season sets. Indeed, either way you put it, I'm sticking with my original FUNi DVDs of the movies; those at least retain an accurate amount of detail and don't look washed out to the point of appearing ejaculated on and urinated between frames. Hell, it isn't just a matter of me preferring the movies at 4:3 anymore, we don't even know if FUNi will offer these for standard DVD.

EDIT: It would seem this first Blu-Ray release will be officially announced by FUNi at the San Diego Comic-Con.

ANN wrote:Finally, at next week's San Diego Comic-Con, Funimation will announce the details of its first high-definition (Blu-ray) release.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:44 am

I'll probably have them (as with all the Funi releases I buy) 2 or 3 weeks early and you can all expect a review of these.

2 things I'm most curious about at this point.

1- Video Quality, shitty masters they DVNRed and used for the DVDs after downconverting, or perhaps the masters before they DVNRed them

2-Subtitles, I've randomly turned on subtitles on my Blu-Rays and they are signifigantly nicer, so I'm curious how Funi's will look.

I honestly doubt they will do anything INSANE on this one, like cropping it to 2.35:1 or anything.

I think it's amazingly stupid to use DBZ as their first item, especially with fancier more 'high class' things they can use, with Blu-Ray being EXTREMELY niche right now, but we'll see how it works out.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:47 am

godofchaos wrote:I think it's amazingly stupid to use DBZ as their first item, especially with fancier more 'high class' things they can use, with Blu-Ray being EXTREMELY niche right now, but we'll see how it works out.

As I said. This is Funi. Sense: they make none.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:55 am

desirecampbell wrote:
godofchaos wrote:I think it's amazingly stupid to use DBZ as their first item, especially with fancier more 'high class' things they can use, with Blu-Ray being EXTREMELY niche right now, but we'll see how it works out.
As I said. This is Funi. Sense: they make none.

To see my favorite picture ever and current facebook icon linked to in regards to FUNimation makes me smile.

ETC123 · Post by **ETC123** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:23 am

This is so totally a placeholder bluray release for the sake of FUNimation having something DBZ on Bluray.

I cant say much more. Shouldn't anyway. This never happened.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:44 am

godofchaos wrote:1- Video Quality, shitty masters they DVNRed and used for the DVDs after downconverting, or perhaps the masters before they DVNRed them

VP&T said they DVNR'd the footage as it was being telecined. That means there is no master without the automated DVNR, sad as it may seem.

2-Subtitles, I've randomly turned on subtitles on my Blu-Rays and they are signifigantly nicer, so I'm curious how Funi's will look.

Blu-Raydisc.com wrote:Subtitles
In DVD-Video, subtitles were stored in the audio/video stream, and therefore they had limitations on the number of languages and display styles. Again, it is due to Blu-ray Disc's ability to read data from the disc without interrupting the current audio/video stream, that subtitles can be stored independently on the disc. A user may select different font styles, sizes and colors for the subtitles, or location on screen, depending on the disc's offerings. Subtitles can be animated, scrolled or faded in and out.

That being said...eh, we'll see... ;p

I think it's amazingly stupid to use DBZ as their first item, especially with fancier more 'high class' things they can use, with Blu-Ray being EXTREMELY niche right now, but we'll see how it works out.

Eh, DragonBall Z is still their cash cow. It is directly responsible for kick-starting their business, both in general and in the realm of digital entertainment, and to this day it still makes the most money for them. Hell, look at the season sets

-Corey

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:15 am

Don't care what VP&T says, since they clearly have NO idea what the fuck they are talking about half the time, and we've seen that they don't know nearly as much as they think they do.

And DBZ does well for Funi because it is their most mainstream show. There aren't NEARLY enough 'normal mainstream' people with Blu-Ray. That's why the majority of films on the format are a bit more 'nichey' and 'home theater' ready.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:34 am

godofchaos wrote:Don't care what VP&T says, since they clearly have NO idea what the fuck they are talking about half the time, and we've seen that they don't know nearly as much as they think they do.

I'm not saying they're the most reliable, but I'm willing to bet that there is no DVNR-less master. Just as I'm willing to bet there's no non-cropped master. Why? Because the idiots genuinely think it looks better after both steps.

And DBZ does well for Funi because it is their most mainstream show. There aren't NEARLY enough 'normal mainstream' people with Blu-Ray. That's why the majority of films on the format are a bit more 'nichey' and 'home theater' ready.

Yep, DBZ is the most mainstream, which means it'll come under the least fire for being a shitty transfer and release. Look at the season sets for proof ;p

Anyway, the PS3, especially with the recent price cut, has launched Blu-Ray into many homes. Is the install base the size of DVD? No, but as time rolls on, one HD format or the other will become more viable in the market. It happened with DVD. Meantime, companies like FUNi are chomping at the bit to set their seal of "LAWL WE GOT HERE FIRST."

Personally, I might pick up the disc second-hand to see how bad it looks...or I might not waste my time ;p

-Corey

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:05 am

Oh, I'm sure there is no DVNR less, non cropped, 1080p master. I'm just saying I don't believe THEM saying thats how they did it.

'Many' homes at THIS point isn't right, because while I'm a movie/anime/entertainment freak, I've talked to a suprising amount of PS3 owners who got ONE blu-ray and that was it.

I'm not saying it won't go up, but few people are like 'fans'. The VAST VAST majority of PS3 owners who are DBZ fans probably own the film already, and probably DON'T care enough to 'upgrade' it.

When the news about Funi doing Blu-Ray first broke 'thinks' a week or 2 ago, I had a few guesses what their first release would be, because, there are so few players out there, which kills any chance to get profit, so you gotta find a specific kind of thing to release, that'll get the mainstream people interested, but will still cater to the more "I'm a knowledgeable asshole who doesn't like anything mainstream unless I watched it as a child".

My expectation was that it was going to be Shadow Chronicles or some other 'potentially' high class film (not saying Shadow was, but it definately hit nearly every group quite well.)

DBZ is one of my favorite shows of all time, but as someone who loves a lot of stuff, it is the wrong choice to make from a logic standpoint, a business standpoint, and from nearly every other point you could think from.

And they can't even claim 'firsties' on Blu-Ray release because Honneamise is coming out 2 months earlier.

Although that might be my problem, I'm looking for logic in a Funimation DBZ release....

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:15 pm

I'll make sure either to not go to FUNi's booth at comic con or just go for shits and giggles.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:00 pm

*sigh* figures it's Broly...

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:20 pm

I'll be going to the FUNi panel at Comic-Con, just to see what they say about this.

EDIT: WOOT! Post #200!

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:13 pm

I think it's amazingly stupid to use DBZ as their first item

I think this is pretty smart. Its one of FUNimations most popular anime properties. This is a new media, if they want it to sell they have to put something they know will definitely sell. The two brolly movies? Yea, that sounds about right. I can totally understand this move.

And yes, I will be getting these!

Kaze no Mune · Post by **Kaze no Mune** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:28 pm

Meh, I'd much rather see a movie box than more individual/double/triple releases.

I'm pretty sick of seeing the same releases over and over, even if it is a new format. And even then, how much better will these really be than their DVD counter parts? I have a bad feeling that they'll get the same treatment as the DVD releases of the series.

I really do hope FUNi proves me wrong.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:39 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:I think this is pretty smart. Its one of FUNimations most popular anime properties. This is a new media, if they want it to sell they have to put something they know will definitely sell. The two brolly movies? Yea, that sounds about right. I can totally understand this move.

You really do not understand the market do you.

No one who GIVES a flying fuck about DBZ HAS Blu-Ray.

You'll get a few hardcore anime fans, yes, and a couple parents who have kids. But any 'advantage' DBZ has in the sales market does not exist on Blu-Ray.

There is a reason Budokai Tenkaichi 3 is on PS2 and not 3, and it certainly isn't as a 'thank you' to the fans who supported it, it is because the audience for DBZ does not exist on the PS3. And PS3 owners are far and away the majority of Blu-Ray owners.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:06 pm

bkev wrote:*sigh* figures it's Broly...

Of course, his power is maximum.

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:And yes, I will be getting these!

We expect full comparison shots of original FUNi release/Dragonbox/FUNi Blu-Ray.

lost in thought · Post by **lost in thought** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:20 pm

It's nice to see WtW News linked to by an outside source. (Here's the poor schmuck who developed the entire thing.

)

To throw in my two cents, I can't help but wonder... why. Why the fuck are they doing this. I am sure we'll never know an honest answer; but christ this just screams a high spot on a chart of poor business decisions for 2007.

I've been questioning the why lately on a lot of things, which I'll admit is silly, since I am guaranteed never to see any rational answer. But this, this right here, makes me want to have a sit down with someone at Funimation and get a straight answer out of them, any means necessary.

Since it has about as much chance of happening as I do of growing wings, I'll take some comfort in the thought that once this blows over badly, they'll probably rethink their offerings and we wont see DBZ on Blu-ray again for a few years. And maybe by that time they will have pulled their collective heads out of the dirt, and produce something worth owning.

Wishful thinking, I know.

Now if I may be excused, I have some reading to do, and following that, a whole mess of sleeping.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:53 pm

You really do not understand the market do you.

No one who GIVES a flying fuck about DBZ HAS Blu-Ray

Do you understand the market? Ok, look. All Iam saying is its a good idea for FUNimation to put out the strongest property they have. They have to break the ice of this sketchy new media somehow.

...the audience for DBZ does not exist on the PS3. And PS3 owners are far and away the majority of Blu-Ray owners.

Yea, a (DragonBall) audience doesn't exist on the PS3, cause as of now there isnt anything DragonBall related on the PS3 so how CAN there be an audience for it? Maybe FUNimation wants to change that. Wouln't that make sence?

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:05 pm

You can have a audience/market for a product and have no such product on the market.

You MAKE the product to take advantage of a potential audience/shortcoming in the market.

There is very little market for DBZ in high def at the moment.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:09 pm

You can have a audience/market for a product and have no such product on the market

You think so? I don't know, maybe its just how I think... Well, I guess we'll see what happens with this.

Kanzenshuu

Two Broly movies, from FUNi, coming to Blu-Ray.

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