DragonBall Z: The Room 29 Productions Dub

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:28 am

Acid_Reign wrote:
Steven Perry wrote:Strongly advise? But... using the original wouldn't be fun! Well, if you want to switch to the original, I guess I could live with it...
I certainly don't mean to put a cap on the creativity at all, I just thought that the scope of the project was to give the movie its due justice in English. At any rate, I think it'd be relatively easy to have a switchable audio track on the DVD, much like the Season sets... that is, if people would like that. In the long run I don't really mind since it is, after all, just for fun.

Great idea. Now, why didn't I think of that?!

Acid wrote:
Steven Perry wrote:I was going to split it up into 10 chapters, and indicate where one chapter ends and another begins via YouTube. I'll get this done by tomorrow.
Are these chapters for dividing it up into manageable pieces, or do you intend for them to be the DVD chapters?

No, these are for dividing it up into manageable parts for use in the production only. The YouTube, final, version will probably only have 4-5 parts.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:28 am

At the moment, I still don't have any of the parts. Though htose HD issues I mentioned should be clearing up soon. In the meantime, I'll download part 3.

We can either super-impose them over the actual video, put them in a subtitle stream, or have a still image at the end like a lot of DVD authoring companies will do. Also, I know this is more or less "decided," but I'd strongly advise using the original soundtrack... for everything. I thought not having the original music was one of the biggest criticisms of the US broadcast version. Is it the Japanese BGM that hard to find?

Regarding the credits, we can go the FUNimation and Toei way and have the video in a corner and have the credits rolling up. This is definitely possible, it's been done in Doomrider, if I'm right.

Oh yeah, I'll help out with sound if that's ok. Be a sound editor =/

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:15 am

Acid_Reign wrote:At any rate, I think it'd be relatively easy to have a switchable audio track on the DVD, much like the Season sets... that is, if people would like that. In the long run I don't really mind since it is, after all, just for fun.

If you're referring to putting the Japanese version on our limited DVDs, I strongly recommend against that. First off, this is a project only meant for fun and hence only our fandub and nifty extras should be present on what discs we give out. Secondly, the Japanese version is already available in many different DVD formats, so we'd essentially be giving it out for free to those of us who haven't yet bought the Pioneer release, FUNi re-release, or movies' Dragonbox (for what it's worth, I do own the FUNi rerelease). Including the Japanese version and giving it out may be considered bootlegging to some, which while we're not making any profit, we shouldn't overstep that boundary for respect to those spending their hard-earned money on the legit product.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:47 am

Um, just to address something real quick...

YouTube? What's all this talk about putting it up on YouTube? Ughck. Blech.

Stage 6 is where it's at, d00dz. Much higher visual and audio quality, and we can fit the whole 45-minute shebang on there in one piece, unlike YouTube. Also, it's more likely to be taken off YouTube than Stage6. I think I've already made an account. Not sure.

And yeah, I don't think we should put the original Japanese on the DVD. I'm with Conan on that one.

So from the looks of it, you guys want to split the movie up into even more sections than with the .vobs?

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:02 am

Hey guys, I tried some voice matching for Timo, see if you like it or not, whatever.

http://www.angelfire.com/ct2/cwabackyar ... g/kaio.mp3

http://www.angelfire.com/ct2/cwabackyar ... ullece.mp3

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:21 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:If you're referring to putting the Japanese version on our limited DVDs, I strongly recommend against that. First off, this is a project only meant for fun and hence only our fandub and nifty extras should be present on what discs we give out. Secondly, the Japanese version is already available in many different DVD formats, so we'd essentially be giving it out for free to those of us who haven't yet bought the Pioneer release, FUNi re-release, or movies' Dragonbox (for what it's worth, I do own the FUNi rerelease). Including the Japanese version and giving it out may be considered bootlegging to some, which while we're not making any profit, we shouldn't overstep that boundary for respect to those spending their hard-earned money on the legit product.

Uh, what? I was talking about the Japanese BGM. Hell, after the money I paid for the Movies, I was reluctant to give the video away. I just figured if it didn't come from me, it'd come from someone else, and I wanted to help the project along. I'm certainly not in favor of free bootlegs. (Though seeing as the audio is also on the FTP site for reference, I've essentially already done just that.)

Basically what I was suggesting was having two options for people to choose from:

English Fandub Dialogue w/All-Original Music, or
English Fandub Dialogue w/Japanese Music

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:27 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Um, just to address something real quick...

YouTube? What's all this talk about putting it up on YouTube? Ughck. Blech.

Stage 6 is where it's at, d00dz. Much higher visual and audio quality, and we can fit the whole 45-minute shebang on there in one piece, unlike YouTube. Also, it's more likely to be taken off YouTube than Stage6. I think I've already made an account. Not sure.

You can also try Veoh

I would suggest DailyMotion too, but they have been anal on deleting people's videos lately including a couple of Jerry's from my account.

Arcwave · Post by **Arcwave** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:50 pm

omegacwa wrote:Hey guys, I tried some voice matching for Timo, see if you like it or not, whatever.

http://www.angelfire.com/ct2/cwabackyar ... g/kaio.mp3

http://www.angelfire.com/ct2/cwabackyar ... ullece.mp3

Hmm, you're actually pretty good. But I think you sound a little too young. And what's with the "Big Green" stuff? Are we using that translation? Yuk.

Anywho, I really don't have any say on this, but I honestly think we need someone with a deeper voice.

Nice try nonetheless.

Magica - I really wouldn't use DailyMotion. It's pretty much the European YouTube if you ask me; which equals crap quality.

/j

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:21 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:Uh, what? I was talking about the Japanese BGM. Hell, after the money I paid for the Movies, I was reluctant to give the video away. I just figured if it didn't come from me, it'd come from someone else, and I wanted to help the project along. I'm certainly not in favor of free bootlegs. (Though seeing as the audio is also on the FTP site for reference, I've essentially already done just that.)

Basically what I was suggesting was having two options for people to choose from:

English Fandub Dialogue w/All-Original Music, or
English Fandub Dialogue w/Japanese Music

Well, if it's possible for us to have the Japanese music exactly as it is in the Japanese version on our fandub, then there's no point to doing an original music track IMO. I mean why go to the trouble? The original music option, which keep in mind is hopefully gonna include a couple pieces from the Japanese version anyhow, is only being done because we have no access to an international audio track (hence all the sound effects will have to be inserted from scratch). All though, if you can make it so our music is piece-for-piece exactly like the Japanese version, then there's no need for an original score. Let's not FUNi ourselves over this, I like to think we'll do this one way or the other, as doing both will take longer and is pointless IMO.

Magica wrote:I would suggest DailyMotion too, but they have been anal on deleting people's videos lately including a couple of Jerry's from my account.

Death to DailyMotion, hypocrite sons of bitches.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:07 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote: Well, if it's possible for us to have the Japanese music exactly as it is in the Japanese version on our fandub, then there's no point to doing an original music track IMO. I mean why go to the trouble? The original music option, which keep in mind is hopefully gonna include a couple pieces from the Japanese version anyhow, is only being done because we have no access to an international audio track (hence all the sound effects will have to be inserted from scratch). All though, if you can make it so our music is piece-for-piece exactly like the Japanese version, then there's no need for an original score. Let's not FUNi ourselves over this, I like to think we'll do this one way or the other, as doing both will take longer and is pointless IMO.

Well, that's what I was wondering. It wasn't clear to me if all of the Japanese music was available to us or not. (If it isn't, can it be found on a specific CD?) Kaboom says we're doing our own soundtrack to be original and to keep things interesting...

I definitely agree with the FUNi thing. I think we should keep the original BGM, but at the same time, I'm also interested to see what the members here, and Scott Morgan can come up with. It could come out really nice. And on that note, you mention mix-and-matching—thing is, I'm not sure the original music would really mesh well with the stuff we'd come up with, unless we purposely emulated that style. And if we do that, providing the original track is pretty redundant.

While we naturally don't want to do more work, maybe we should just appoint someone with the specific job of mixing the alternate track. Or wait until post-production to do it so we can focus on the other stuff first.

Just some thoughts.

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:10 pm

Anyone who owns the BGM collection or the 5 CD set should have a track that has the background music from the movie, but it might not be all of it. Most of those "Theatrical Suite" tracks are incomplete.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:01 pm

Yeah, I agree. The stuff on the 5-Set CD is incomplete, a bit more is on the Ongakushû (probably volume 1, I think). Though both are pretty hard to find.
Though I like Acid's idea about having two audio streams. It'd be a nice little touch.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:37 pm

Arcwave wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Hey guys, I tried some voice matching for Timo, see if you like it or not, whatever.

http://www.angelfire.com/ct2/cwabackyar ... g/kaio.mp3

http://www.angelfire.com/ct2/cwabackyar ... ullece.mp3
Hmm, you're actually pretty good. But I think you sound a little too young. And what's with the "Big Green" stuff? Are we using that translation? Yuk.

Anywho, I really don't have any say on this, but I honestly think we need someone with a deeper voice.

Nice try nonetheless.

Magica - I really wouldn't use DailyMotion. It's pretty much the European YouTube if you ask me; which equals crap quality.

/j

Ha, I just said stuff that was in the trailer, I am sure the big green line won't be in the final product. I understand that I have a young sounding voice, probably why I got the part of Goku.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:44 am

Well, I wouldn't mind, per say if we included a Japanese BGM track for the DVDs, if you guys really want it. But it'll be a lot of extra work which I don't really know how to do. How exactly do we edit it that way, and do we have someone good enough at DVD authoring to handle it?

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:59 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Well, I wouldn't mind, per say if we included a Japanese BGM track for the DVDs, if you guys really want it. But it'll be a lot of extra work which I don't really know how to do. How exactly do we edit it that way, and do we have someone good enough at DVD authoring to handle it?

Actually, it doesn't sound completely difficult. We'd just need an audio editor to make a new audio track (Match the sound effects with Japanese BGM and voice) and whoever is in charge of authoring the DVD just has to have it as an optional audio track.

Doesn't sound too bad. I can do handle the audio part if anything.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:01 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Well, I wouldn't mind, per say if we included a Japanese BGM track for the DVDs, if you guys really want it. But it'll be a lot of extra work which I don't really know how to do. How exactly do we edit it that way, and do we have someone good enough at DVD authoring to handle it?

Yeah, like I said, I can hook us up DVD-wise, if you like. I'd show you a sample of my work (started a custom menu for my compilation-disc Movie 4) but unfortunately, the files were wiped when my laptop crashed and I've yet to see if they can be recovered or not. At any rate, it is something I've done before and I'm certainly available to do it.

What's the story with auditions? I trust something new will have to be thrown together since Kino's MIA.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:35 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Well, I wouldn't mind, per say if we included a Japanese BGM track for the DVDs, if you guys really want it. But it'll be a lot of extra work which I don't really know how to do. How exactly do we edit it that way, and do we have someone good enough at DVD authoring to handle it?

All I'm saying is, if we're now going to the trouble of including a Japanese BGM track exactly like an international track's would be, then what's the point in making an "original music" track? What makes this fandub interesting and unique to see isn't the music track, but that we're yearning to make it the most accurate and non-iffy written/acted dub (w/t Dragonbox footage) of this movie out of all the different incarnations it's had. With that in mind, if it's possible to keep all of the original Japanese music, then making an "original music" track for a project such as this would be as pointless as anything could get. Making two music tracks, when really only one is necessary (and the "original music" option was a last resort in the first place) just makes us look too FUNi and would be a waste of time. Besides, speaking for myself, if two audio tracks are being included; I'm not even touching the original one, if we can have the Japanese BGM then that's what I'm watching our project with. No offense to Steven Perry or anyone else working on the original music intended, but that's just how I prefer watching DBZ if given the choice.

Kaboom, if you can, have Kino or yourself forward me her script and I'll attempt to finish it. Give me two days tops and if I don't have it done, we'll go with your original adaptation. Sound good?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:01 pm

Just my two cents - do the music however you want - this isn't a direct translation of the source, it's a dub, be creative. Don't worry about including the original score, if the fans want that, they'll pop in the DVD and watch the original

That said - don't think you can't use the original score. I mean, if it fits, keep it - but if you think something else would be better suited, do it.

-edit-
Oh, and if noone's pinned down for Telluce yet, I'll throw my hat in too, later. Picking up my mother fucking Dragon Box: The Movies on my way to work. I think wearing a goddamn scouter will give me the edge.

Yes I'm cock shitting excited.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:06 pm

Glad to see some enthusiasm still floating around, Desire.

Well, these guys seem to know how to do it, and WANT to do it, so why not? But we're just talking DVD options for ourselves, here. The version we put up for viewing online will be our original music version, either way.

As for Kino's script, I haven't gotten anything from her. I did ask her to send me what she had, but to no fruition, it'd seem. Unless she pops back into the picture and gives me something sometime tomorrow (which I'll then take you up on your offer and let you finish, Conan), we're just going to use my script and pull things in from Mr.A's when they seem better. I'm trying to get the recording guide started now.

I'm also assuming at this point, based on what Kino's told me, that she won't be able to voice Gohan, either. So for re-auditions, we'll be holding them for at least Gohan and Tullece. Amond I will do if nobody objects, and I'm thinking I'll just go through the auditions from way back, see who was best at King Kai after Timo, and just pick someone. The less reauditions to have to hold, the better. I'm trying to get that organized now, too.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:49 am

Holy shit.

I mean, wow. That's freakin' awesome. I need to get myself one o' those...

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Chapters

Each chapter comes with two images; one indicating the beginning, and the other indicating end. The one beginning after another's end is one frame after it (or a few).

Chapter 1

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Chapter 2

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Chapter 3

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Chapter 4

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Chapter 5

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Chapter 6

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Chapter 7

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Chapter 8

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Chapter 9

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Chapter 10

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These are small chunks we can handle- maybe we could do two per week (sound effects, recordings, music, editing), at a steady rate. That way, everything would be quality. All I've got at the moment, in terms of video-editing software, is WMM.

But, for my purposes at the moment, I don't really need anything better (I'm just adding music, and editing here and there). Luckily, Arcwave's got the high-tech gear, so we're not entirely primitive...