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Post by Beek King » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:20 am

WittyUsername wrote:I'm not sure whether or not this qualifies as an unpopular opinion at the moment, but I honestly think that Zeno is pretty annoying as a character. I'm not a fan of overly-cutesy characters in general, but the fact that Zeno is established as this all-powerful being that everyone else respects, and whom can never be surpassed no matter what, just feels like it kind of goes against the primary theme of Dragon Ball. I just don't like the idea that every other character in the series is at the mercy of this guy.
I've also been having that kind of feeling. I don't like the overabundance of super powerful gods as of late in general. It has changed the dynamic quite a bit: while climbing the god hierachy has been a thing since Karin and Kami, the latest DB media overdid it. It used to be all about struggling with more and more powerful enemies that Goku and the rest had to surpass, now since Beerus we got introduced into ridiculously OP characters to whom everyone else is a plaything.
Plus there's another issue related to this. The DB world has been trying to expand lately, but all it did in the process was in fact contract: there was all the hype about OMG 12 UNIVERSES YEEEAAAH and we don't know that much about them (because let's face it, 12 at once is too much) and the recent revelation about only 28 inhabited planets in U7 (I know people are trying to justify it with all their power as of lately but that idea gives me a WAY different feeling than the beginning of DBZ, Freeza saga and Buu saga gave me there). Less is more sometimes, but just as often less is less.
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:24 pm

Budokai Tenkaichi 2 is superior game than Budokai Tenkaichi 3, mostly due to the former having a bit more variety in combos per characyers.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:56 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:Budokai Tenkaichi 2 is superior game than Budokai Tenkaichi 3, mostly due to the former having a bit more variety in combos per characyers.
Weren't the combo's only added to in the third iteration? Yeah, despite the ratio, I say 3 wins on that front. I do vastly prefer 2, though. Almost everything about it was more fun, more immersive, and even longer than its predecessor and successor, but I do think that 3 is probably superior in an objective sense on account of the replay value.
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Post by Noah » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:04 pm

There are three things Budokai Tenkaichi 2 was better than 3, the first one was is its Story Mode, although many could still think it was unbearable and long to play, I loved that they did a story mode with all Z arcs, movies and TV Specials organized by "chronology". I think they could have did the same thing in Budokai Tenkaichi 3, we had enough DB characters and stages to do a complete story from DB to GT and they could make it better and faster with that "R3 button" to skip things between the story battles avoiding to be unnecessary long. The second thing was that I think it was lame to have 90% of the rooster already available in the "VS. Mode", it was better to unlock them all in the previous game and the third one was that I don't liked how there was no "RPG mode", flying through DB world that was present in the previous game that was similar to Budokai 3 too. I think Budokai Tenkaichi 3 had a good system of improving characters with items without leveling them and that was nice and could be implemented to the Story Mode.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:45 pm

I think all of the BT games were hot gabarge tbh. There were fun, but as games, there were pretty bad.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:22 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:Budokai Tenkaichi 2 is superior game than Budokai Tenkaichi 3, mostly due to the former having a bit more variety in combos per characyers.
Wha...?! Tenkaichi 3 had all the combos Tenkaichi 2 had had and some, but in any case, none of the Tenkaichi games are really worth looking to in terms of character combo diversity.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:44 pm

Soppa Saia People wrote:I think all of the BT games were hot gabarge tbh. There were fun, but as games, there were pretty bad.
What other criteria than fun are there? Isn't that all Dragon Ball games try to do in the first place?
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Soppa Saia People wrote:I think all of the BT games were hot gabarge tbh. There were fun, but as games, there were pretty bad.
I know it's a common complaint against them that they aren't very deep games, but, I don't know -- maybe I differ from most people -- I'm hyper-critical of games because I can so easily feel that they're wasting my time, but if I'm playing a licensed game, my expectations are that simply that it's both fun and stuffed with fan-service. I want it to feel like playing with a huge chest of toys in that world, you know?

BT3 doesn't do a whole lot outside of capturing that feeling, but it does that one thing in spades. My perfect Dragon Ball game would just be another entry in that series with a further expanded roster, some larger arenas, and a little bit more polish.

When it comes to more serious Dragon Ball fighting games, RPGs, etc., I'd so much rather play a superlative game in those genres without a license attached.

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:15 pm

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Soppa Saia People wrote:I think all of the BT games were hot gabarge tbh. There were fun, but as games, there were pretty bad.
I know it's a common complaint against them that they aren't very deep games, but, I don't know -- maybe I differ from most people -- I'm hyper-critical of games because I can so easily feel that they're wasting my time, but if I'm playing a licensed game, my expectations are that simply that it's both fun and stuffed with fan-service. I want it to feel like playing with a huge chest of toys in that world, you know?

BT3 doesn't do a whole lot outside of capturing that feeling, but it does that one thing in spades. My perfect Dragon Ball game would just be another entry in that series with a further expanded roster, some larger arenas, and a little bit more polish.

When it comes to more serious Dragon Ball fighting games, RPGs, etc., I'd so much rather play a superlative game in those genres without a license attached.
That's fair. Everyone has different experiences, and enjoys different things.
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Post by FortuneSSJ » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:09 pm

I really like both Goku vs King Chapa fights. Goku always defeated him in epic ways.
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Post by jeffbr92 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:19 pm

Cipher wrote:I know it's a common complaint against them that they aren't very deep games, but, I don't know -- maybe I differ from most people -- I'm hyper-critical of games because I can so easily feel that they're wasting my time, but if I'm playing a licensed game, my expectations are that simply that it's both fun and stuffed with fan-service. I want it to feel like playing with a huge chest of toys in that world, you know?

BT3 doesn't do a whole lot outside of capturing that feeling, but it does that one thing in spades. My perfect Dragon Ball game would just be another entry in that series with a further expanded roster, some larger arenas, and a little bit more polish.

When it comes to more serious Dragon Ball fighting games, RPGs, etc., I'd so much rather play a superlative game in those genres without a license attached.
You didn't liked Budokai 3 or XENOVERSE series?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by BlueBasilisk » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:00 pm

I like Minus more than Bardock: The Father of Goku.

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Post by Cipher » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:01 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:You didn't liked Budokai 3 or XENOVERSE series?
I've never played either; never owned a system they were released on (and my laptop isn't up to specs for current-gen gaming).

I never felt more than lukewarm about the first two Budokai games though. They were pretty mediocre licensed fighters.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by pacz360 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:32 pm

I liked that 17 got bumped into god tier much and i hope guys like gohan,buu and piccolo get bumped into it as well.
For years we bitch about how only the saiyans get massive ass boosts while everyone gets nothing now as soon as someone not named goku or vegeta gets one all hell break loose
I understand the anger due to the lack of explantion of them getting stronger but at this point most of the cast barring goku and vegeta need some much needed power boosts and if this the way they get it then shit i'll take it.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:42 pm

BlueBasilisk wrote:I like Minus more than Bardock: The Father of Goku.
They're so different in every aspect other than the main character and time period, I don't even feel comfortable judging them on the same scale. I didn't hate Minus, it was just a fun little promotional mini-prologue that doesn't hurt anything. At the same time, I did like the TV Special a lot, and it was a much grander project. I guess that means I technically like the TV special more, but I don't want to be held to that position, since they aren't even congruent efforts.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:56 pm

Cipher wrote:
jeffbr92 wrote:You didn't liked Budokai 3 or XENOVERSE series?
I've never played either; never owned a system they were released on (and my laptop isn't up to specs for current-gen gaming).

I never felt more than lukewarm about the first two Budokai games though. They were pretty mediocre licensed fighters.
You haven't played Budokai 3?! Well, shit man you should definitely get it as soon as possible. It's a HUGE improvement over the first two games and it's arguably the best DBZ game ever made as well as one of the best anime-based fighters out there.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Post by Super_Divine_Genki » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:09 am

Cipher wrote:BT3 doesn't do a whole lot outside of capturing that feeling, but it does that one thing in spades. My perfect Dragon Ball game would just be another entry in that series with a further expanded roster, some larger arenas, and a little bit more polish.
I'm completely on-board with this, and it's the reason that any games that have been announced in recent years I haven't bothered with. Give me as many characters and maps as possible (DB, Z, Super) along with virtually every notable attire that had been seen in the series and films and I'm sold. Add to that some nice customization options, a new mechanic system that puts emphasis on stamina/not spamming ultimates/damaged character ability, and a soundtrack worthy of DB and it becomes my ideal DB game -- a DB simulator. BT3 has been by far the closest that it's gotten, and the reason that it's been my go-to DB game since it was released (with Raging Blast 2 following).

Now I may have to go through my box of goodies and bring that game out of retirement since I haven't played any DB games in several years (other than a very short tryout with Xenoverse 1).
FortuneSSJ wrote:I really like both Goku vs King Chapa fights. Goku always defeated him in epic ways.
While I agree, I'm not sure if any folks have expressed dismay with these fights to warrant it an Unpopular Opinion.

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Post by nickzambuto » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:21 pm

I can tell that Furukawa is a talented actor, but man is his Piccolo underwhelming. He doesn't sound anything like an alien warrior from an ancient race far across the galaxy, let alone a king of demons. He sounds like... just a regular guy. I would go so far as to say that he's miscast.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:01 pm

I agree, I love Furukawa but even he questioned why he was cast as Piccolo.

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:02 am

Whaaaa?! I know I've heard this before, but it never ceases to shock me. How does Furukawa in any way sound like a regular guy? I mean, the guy's first major DB role was General Blue. It sounds *nothing* like his Piccolo. And his Piccolo itself possesses such amazing range I can barely even describe it. From the quiet, sneering, demonic haughtiness of his normal speaking voice to his bombastic yelling when he gets excited, he can fit every mood the character conveys. He's absolutely fantastic as Piccolo. My only complaint is that his pitch goes so low with the speaking voice that he sometimes can't support it, and you can (very briefly) hear his voice cut out.
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