Live Action Film Question

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:55 pm

I still don't know why Spidey fans took any kind of issue with the removal of web shooters anyways. It should be a given that if I were bitten by a spider and gained certain spider-like attributes, my body should be able to produce some kind a webbing material. Even if it should happen to come out of my hiney. Personally, I think they should have used spider-sense a little more.

Back to Dragonball the movie.

Regarding story changes, I think this shouldn't be a huge change up. I think they should work off of the manga instead of the anime. I haven't read it, but I would guess the story is pretty straight fpward with not much deviation.

Dragonball isn't like most of the western comics with thirty or fourty odd years of stories with muliple retellings and alternate tellings. It's a story with a beginning, a middle, and a end. And only one version of them.

Say the movie finally gets the full green light, who would you say the target audience, as in demographic, would be? And how do you think that would affect the final product?

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:53 pm

Anonymous Friend wrote:Say the movie finally gets the full green light, who would you say the target audience, as in demographic, would be? And how do you think that would affect the final product?

"There's a nine year old born every day."

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:57 pm

desirecampbell wrote:Spiderman didn't have web shooters? Okay, I don't like it, but I can accept that.

Man, I thought the organic ones were better than a 15-year-old whipping up some Mega-Tech™ in his basement.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:57 pm

Rocketman wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:Spiderman didn't have web shooters? Okay, I don't like it, but I can accept that.
Man, I thought the organic ones were better than a 15-year-old whipping up some Mega-Tech™ in his basement.

That was precisely the reasoning. No 16-year-old, no matter how clever, is going to be able to whip up something that not even multi-billion-dollar military weaponry corporations can't match.

As for target age demographic, I'd hope for it to be handled like TMNT was. Good for both the new kids AND the older fans.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:03 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:Spiderman didn't have web shooters? Okay, I don't like it, but I can accept that.
Man, I thought the organic ones were better than a 15-year-old whipping up some Mega-Tech™ in his basement.
That was precisely the reasoning. No 16-year-old, no matter how clever, is going to be able to whip up something that not even multi-billion-dollar military weaponry corporations [can] match.

That's the same reason Sam Rami decided against it, he "couldn't believe Parker could come up with such a thing". As much as I love Rami, I hate that he fucked with the character like that. Parker is a genius, and after gaining spider powers, he understands the chemical makeup of spider silk. Genius + knowledge = web shooters.

And this is exactly the thing I'm worried about for a DBZ movie. If the director or writer disagrees with the logic of the story.

No 16-year-old, no matter how clever, is going to be able to whip up something that not even multi-billion-dollar military weaponry corporations [can] match.

*cough*cough* Dragon Radar *cough*

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:29 am

*headdesk* a 16 year old did build the dragon radar, didn't she? Whereas the Red Ribbon Army's radars sucked majorly.
Though that fact is more easily dealt with if a movie starts at the "Rarg fighting!" parts.
... Then I remembered what Mike said he liked about Dragonball to that guy at Otakon, and realize that a liveaction movie series, especially from the US, would probably fail to capture that.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:10 am

desirecampbell wrote:*cough*cough* Dragon Radar *cough*

Yes, but Spider-Man supposedly happens in our world. DB Earth is markedly more...incompetent.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:52 am

Rocketman wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:*cough*cough* Dragon Radar *cough*
Yes, but Spider-Man supposedly happens in our world. DB Earth is markedly more...incompetent.

In our world people get super powers from being bitten by spiders? (Not even 'radioactive' spiders, in the movie it's just a goddamn spider.)

And as for competent - they wear friggin' costumes. Whilst they try to take over the world. At least in Dragon Ball, noone thought they needed masks.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:56 am

desirecampbell wrote:In our world people get super powers from being bitten by spiders? (Not even 'radioactive' spiders, in the movie it's just a goddamn spider.)

A genetically enhanced spider whose bite contained a retrovirus.

And as for competent - they wear friggin' costumes. Whilst they try to take over the world. At least in Dragon Ball, noone thought they needed masks.

*cough cough* Great Saiyaman *cough cough*

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:01 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:
SatoSky wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:doesn't decide to make them all "gangster" (a-la the upcoming Alvin and the Chipmunks... there goes my childhood's innocence)
What are they doing to Alvin and the Chipmunks and who exactly is doing it!?
They are doing this:

And the "they" is Tim Hill, the director of the recent Garfield movie.

I know.

I can honestly say this is the first time a movie has offended me enough that I actually want to hunt down the creators to stop it from being made.

And there have been a lot of bad movie ideas.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:09 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote: I can honestly say this is the first time a movie has offended me enough that I actually want to hunt down the creators to stop it from being made.

And there have been a lot of bad movie ideas.

Well, if it makes you (or anyone else) feel any better, they're NOT dressed like that in the new trailer. And they're singing "Funky Town."

The movie's still probably gonna be crap, but at least those are tiny steps in the right direction.

I'm more looking forward to Get Smart.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:37 pm

Rocketman wrote:*cough cough* Great Saiyaman *cough cough*

Damn. Forgot about that. Yeah,

Rocketman wrote:A genetically enhanced spider whose bite contained a retrovirus.

'Retro-virus'? I dare you to make less sense. What retro-virus causes extreme genetic mutation - wouldn't they have tested this retro-virus before putting it in the spiders? And what disease does this retro-virus fight? I mean, I can accept "comic-book science", but not "stupid science".

All I'm saying is that a live action movie would get more screwed up than the dub is. I don't want to see a summer blockbuster about Goku saving New York.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:54 pm

desirecampbell wrote:What retro-virus causes extreme genetic mutation

The kind carried by genetically enhanced super-spiders.

wouldn't they have tested this retro-virus before putting it in the spiders?

You'd think they'd put a fail-safe on Jurassic Park's fences, too.

And what disease does this retro-virus fight?

it was my impression that retroviruses don't fight diseases, esp. since HIV is a retrovirus.

I mean, I can accept "comic-book science", but not "stupid science".

The difference?

All I'm saying is that a live action movie would get more screwed up than the dub is. I don't want to see a summer blockbuster about Goku saving New York.

True dat.

COCONUT MILK · Post by **COCONUT MILK** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:20 pm

Rocketman wrote:
You'd think they'd put a fail-safe on Jurassic Park's fences, too.

Nedry (the guy who built the system) hacked the power, the fail safes can't stop the guy who made them..

the_abberration · Post by **the_abberration** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:45 pm

desirecampbell wrote:That's the same reason Sam Rami decided against it, he "couldn't believe Parker could come up with such a thing". As much as I love Rami, I hate that he fucked with the character like that. Parker is a genius, and after gaining spider powers, he understands the chemical makeup of spider silk. Genius + knowledge = web shooters.

Hmm. I always thought the whole Spider DNA alteration and webbing without the use of the shooters were a subtle nod to Spider-Man 2099.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:13 pm

COCONUT MILK wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
You'd think they'd put a fail-safe on Jurassic Park's fences, too.
Nedry (the guy who built the system) hacked the power, the fail safes can't stop the guy who made them..

Then they're not fail-safe, are they?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:46 pm

the_abberration wrote: Hmm. I always thought the whole Spider DNA alteration and webbing without the use of the shooters were a subtle nod to Spider-Man 2099.

*High-fives*

Awesome series. I'm desperately trying to find some way to read the whole thing through.

COCONUT MILK · Post by **COCONUT MILK** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:28 pm

Rocketman wrote:
COCONUT MILK wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
You'd think they'd put a fail-safe on Jurassic Park's fences, too.
Nedry (the guy who built the system) hacked the power, the fail safes can't stop the guy who made them..
Then they're not fail-safe, are they?

Nothing ever is man

If this movie was made with cg then i think it would be ok, but if it's live then it's just going to be cheesy just like every other live cartoon movie.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:22 pm

the_abberration wrote:Hmm. I always thought the whole Spider DNA alteration and webbing without the use of the shooters were a subtle nod to Spider-Man 2099.

I thought that too, but Rami is quoted as saying he changed it simply because he didn't like it. Thanks Sam. No, no. If you don't like it, go ahead and change it. Dick.

Why couldn't he have done Evil Dead 4 instead? Why?!

Bomber Greek · Post by **Bomber Greek** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:24 pm

Evil Dead is a great series. I saw 2 and Army of Darkness. They must make an Evil Dead 4.

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