Live Action Film Question

SSJmole · Post by **SSJmole** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:00 pm

Anonymous Friend wrote:I still don't know why Spidey fans took any kind of issue with the removal of web shooters anyways. It should be a given that if I were bitten by a spider and gained certain spider-like attributes, my body should be able to produce some kind a webbing material. Even if it should happen to come out of my hiney. Personally, I think they should have used spider-sense a little more.

It 1) didn't let him explore his science side more by him creating them. 2)Removed a weakness , In comics on more than one occasion , He ran out of webbing or had webshooters damaged and had to resort to his brain to out think people.

Like how superman returns had him lift a island full of kryptonite even if if the stuff is meant to leave his as weak if not more so than us.

I understand the webshooters change I just don't like it. Same with Power Ranger goblin costume.

desirecampbell wrote:I'm worried that a live action DBZ movie would fuck something up so badly, my head would explode.

They would but , it would still be a good movie. So they remove saibermen and things like that , is that so bad? removing the things that would be too cheesy and shortening fights I would say to 5-8 mins each. Then the big ones e.g Goku vs Vegeta have 12 minutes like episode 3 Anakin vs Obi fight.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:24 pm

I think what Desirecampbell is saying is that the things that are "too cheesy" are part of what characterizes the series, so removing them could hurt the movie. Though the Saibamen wouldn't do much damage if removed (though really, I can't see them being removed... just... remodeled. Then again, they could be? I don't know! AH! I found it surprising how much houseElf-ness was removed from HP4 (all of it). ).

Meh, I keep coming back to Mike's Otakon comments and wonder how a <3hour movie could begin to touch that without being Path to Power Remastered...
... three hours. Hour1=up to somewhere in Piccolo Daimao. Hour 2 = Piccolo Daimao to somewhere in the Saiyan stuff. Hour 3= wrap up the Namek stuff. Everybody dies but Gohan and Bulma. The end.
Yeah, it wouldn't work like that, would it?

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:01 am

The only way a Dragonball Z film would be possible is if a series of Dragonball films were made first.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:12 am

Remix wrote:The only way a Dragonball Z film would be possible is if a series of Dragonball films were made first.

The Dragonball series was made for children and what would better make for a children's story than a bunch of kids on adventure searching for magical orbs to grant their hearts desire. Plus, in order to get the emotional pay-off of the deaths in the beginning of Z, you really need the backstory.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:50 am

Anonymous Friend wrote:
Remix wrote:The only way a Dragonball Z film would be possible is if a series of Dragonball films were made first.
The Dragonball series was made for children and what would better make for a children's story than a bunch of kids on adventure searching for magical orbs to grant their hearts desire. Plus, in order to get the emotional pay-off of the deaths in the beginning of Z, you really need the backstory.

Agreed whole heartedly - but realistically, we can expect the first live action Dragon Ball movie to be DBZ.

We've gone through it before - but the best way it could be done would be:

Movie 1: Saiyan Saga - actually a very short arc, but the movie would use all that extra time to build up and flesh out the characters. Cut Gohan's interactions with the orphans, and the robot if time becomes an issue. If it starts looking goofy, or even to cut for time, the talking animals could be cut or minimized.

Movie 2: Freeza Saga - long arc (longest IIRC) but because the characters are already developed, you can focus more on the action and new characters (Dende, Ginyu Force, Freeza). Cut the space kids and fake Nameks for sure - time shouldn't be a problem.

Movie 3: Android Saga - This would be the best movie, in my opinion. The whole thing could open with Freeza getting picked up, rebuilt, set down on Earth - then have Trunks show up and kick ass kinds of ass. I don't care how much money Fox loses on the first two movies: this will make half a billion dollars. First form Cell might be hard to do but possible, and he's not around much anyway. The biggest stumbling block would be 'not fucking up the SSj2 scene'.

Movie 4: Buu Saga - I can see this movie not being made. Movies tend to be made in trilogies nowadays (regardless of quality) - noone's making quadrilogies. Plus, Buu would be harder to do than Cell.

The big thing is to not change anything. Take unnecessary things out, sure. But don't make Goku and Vegeta brothers, or set it in a modern setting, or some crazy shit.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:14 am

I just hope they don't try to gloss over DB in the way Sagas did in their first cutscene...

I think if any film peoples thought of changing the Goku Vegeta relationship... the fans would eat them. Or storm the studio in outrage. Or something. Then again... *thinks of something that should not be said*

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:22 am

Storm the studio? Fanboys don't have the balls to do that.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:28 am

Remix wrote:Storm the studio? Fanboys don't have the balls to do that.

Hell, I'm up for it.

*Loads shotgun*

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:46 am

desirecampbell wrote:*cough*cough* Dragon Radar *cough*

I know this discussion is past, but I thought of another comment.

Bulma's the heiress of the most technologically advanced company on the planet, and has access to its resources, manpower, R&D, etc.

Peter has none of that.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:55 am

Ah, well, true about Bulma's ... resources. Though that the RRA could pay off TaoPaipai and not find a way to get those same resources seems odd... but believable.

What would happen to liveaction Mr. Popo?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:03 am

caejones wrote:What would happen to liveaction Mr. Popo?

Mr. Popo? There's no Mr. Popo here. <_< >_>

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:29 pm

caejones wrote:Ah, well, true about Bulma's ... resources. Though that the RRA could pay off TaoPaipai and not find a way to get those same resources seems odd... but believable.

What would happen to liveaction Mr. Popo?

Blackface. Niiiice.

Bomber Greek · Post by **Bomber Greek** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:34 pm

Anonymous Friend wrote:
Remix wrote:The only way a Dragonball Z film would be possible is if a series of Dragonball films were made first.
The Dragonball series was made for children and what would better make for a children's story than a bunch of kids on adventure searching for magical orbs to grant their hearts desire. Plus, in order to get the emotional pay-off of the deaths in the beginning of Z, you really need the backstory.

Not... really...

DemonKingPiccolo · Post by **DemonKingPiccolo** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:52 pm

Bomber Greek wrote:
Anonymous Friend wrote:
Remix wrote:The only way a Dragonball Z film would be possible is if a series of Dragonball films were made first.
The Dragonball series was made for children and what would better make for a children's story than a bunch of kids on adventure searching for magical orbs to grant their hearts desire. Plus, in order to get the emotional pay-off of the deaths in the beginning of Z, you really need the backstory.
Not... really...

I agree, Last time I checked, "perverted old men who spend their day attempting to grope women", along with "crude hand gestures" and "decapitations/severed arms" didn't fall under something for kids... I could be wrong..

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:55 pm

DemonKingPiccolo wrote:
Bomber Greek wrote:
Anonymous Friend wrote: The Dragonball series was made for children and what would better make for a children's story than a bunch of kids on adventure searching for magical orbs to grant their hearts desire. Plus, in order to get the emotional pay-off of the deaths in the beginning of Z, you really need the backstory.
Not... really...
I agree, Last time I checked, "perverted old men who spend their day attempting to grope women", along with "crude hand gestures" and "decapitations/severed arms" didn't fall under something for kids... I could be wrong..

You may think that, but you're from a different culture and country. Dragonball was serialized in Shonen Jump. Shonen means "boy". People here continue to argue about this but that's just the way it is. The stuff about Roshi is humour. They view humour differently there. As Mike always likes to point out, one just needs to look at the merchandising that was made as definitive proof this the target demographic for the show was kids. Like a child-sized DBZ Power Desk just put out in time for the new school year. People have to stop putting the series up against NA culture's views and think about it in terms of the culture where it came from.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:42 pm

Yep. Exactly like Jersey said. It's a different culture over there with different standards. Dragonball is 100% kids series aimed at 12 year olds or there-bouts.

EDIT:

Complaining about MJ instead of Gwen in the first Spider-man movie is just stupid. Comics are full of alternate universes. You don't like something, fine, deal with it, but remember that it's personal taste. I loved the first Spidey through and through. From the organic webbing to the armor Goblin (serioulsy, spandex would have looked like shit), to MJ.

Anyway!

Movie 1: Saiyan Saga - actually a very short arc, but the movie would use all that extra time to build up and flesh out the characters. Cut Gohan's interactions with the orphans, and the robot if time becomes an issue. If it starts looking goofy, or even to cut for time, the talking animals could be cut or minimized.

Movie 2: Freeza Saga - long arc (longest IIRC) but because the characters are already developed, you can focus more on the action and new characters (Dende, Ginyu Force, Freeza). Cut the space kids and fake Nameks for sure - time shouldn't be a problem.

I can see these easily being one movie of around 2 and half to 3 hours. In fact, in my movie script, that's how I'm doing it.

Splitting this up is just dumb, IMO. Vegeta directly relates and leads to Freeza. And people seem to dislike "to be continued" at the ends of movies. >>

Movie 3: Android Saga - This would be the best movie, in my opinion. The whole thing could open with Freeza getting picked up, rebuilt, set down on Earth - then have Trunks show up and kick ass kinds of ass. I don't care how much money Fox loses on the first two movies: this will make half a billion dollars. First form Cell might be hard to do but possible, and he's not around much anyway. The biggest stumbling block would be 'not fucking up the SSj2 scene'.

Exactly how I'm planning to start my script for movie 2.

Have the opening credits and theme playing while showing Freeza being 'rescued' from the debris of Namek, cyborgified, and setting out for Earth. Build it up like he's the big bad coming back for more... and then kick him out of the film within the first five mintues after the opening.

And SSJ2 would be easy, you're just pessimistic.

Movie 4: Buu Saga - I can see this movie not being made. Movies tend to be made in trilogies nowadays (regardless of quality) - noone's making quadrilogies. Plus, Buu would be harder to do than Cell.

Spider-man 4, anyone?

That aside, Buu would be easier than Cell. How the hell do you see him as harder? Fat Buu = guy in a pink fat suit with pink make-up. Super Buu = Guy in pink make-up. Kid Buu = CGI or short guy in a make-up. Add in CGI for the stretching and what-have-you and he's done with a LOT less difficulty than any form of Cell.

SSJmole · Post by **SSJmole** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:38 pm

Xyex wrote:the armor Goblin (serioulsy, spandex would have looked like shit)

But this would of been cool.

It was the original concept , Get rid of sword and It's perfect.

Bomber Greek · Post by **Bomber Greek** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:18 pm

Xyex wrote:Yep. Exactly like Jersey said. It's a different culture over there with different standards. Dragonball is 100% kids series aimed at 12 year olds or there-bouts.

12 at the youngest. It's aimed at young adult boys. Manga that is meant for children is called Kodomo. Shonen is stuff like Dragon Ball and Bleach. Kodomo would be like, Hamtaro.[/i][/quote]